My point, exactly, Nim! We have given life to a monster, which exists, only, because we asked for it. I could quote scripture, which speaks to this issue, but... I'm always, Frank Check out my line of clothing for blind nudists. I try to stay competitive in the cost per custom made garments, but must adjust the rates, as the dollar fluctuates and supply and demand of the finer metallic fabrics, demands fee changes, accordingly. Also, my new transparent line, will be available, for spring, at drastically reduced prices. For more information, go to my web site or Email me directly. remember What you don't see, is what we sell. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nimer" <nimerjaber1@xxxxxxxxx>
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They do, and I don't think that no one uses those ATM's. However, most don't, and instead of putting the money on accessible ATM's, they could put it on purchasing everyone KNFB readers.Thanks Nimer J Nimer M. Jaber The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Website: http://www.empowertheblind.org Phone: (720) (251-4530) Letourneau, Richard wrote:Hi guys, I happen to like accessible drive through ATM machines because I occasionally walk through the drive through outside my work place. Obviously not when there is a lot of traffic but I don't think it is illegal where I am so I occasionally do it. Also, If a bank is going to by 2 atms, they might as well get the same accessible model. I am not a proponent of accessible hot and cold tap indicators or Braille flush here symbols on a toilet but some things just work better with some accessibility. Regards...Rich -----Original Message----- From: blind_html-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:blind_html-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of FRANK LOVERME Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 9:22 AM To: blind_html@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: blind_html Re: Blind accessible The Braille is on those machines and other ridiculous places, because we forced government and industry, to put them there, under the threat of media coverage or law suits. I remember the NFB going from store to store, in downtown Buffalo, threatening store owners with exposure, if they didn't make their rest rooms, handicap friendly, and yet, where their offices were, in one of our government buildings, they didn't say anything about the inaccessibility to wheelchair bound civilians. I was an officer of the NFB and resigned, when I saw how the misuse of power was becoming a disease, and infecting the organization on a national level. I'm always, Frank Check out my line of clothing for blind nudists. I try to stay competitive in the cost per custom made garments, but must adjust the rates, as the dollar fluctuates and supply and demand of the finer metallic fabrics, demands fee changes, accordingly. Also, my new transparent line, will be available, for spring, at drastically reduced prices. For more information, go to my web site or Email me directly. remember What you don't see, is what we sell. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nimer" <nimerjaber1@xxxxxxxxx> To: <blind_html@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 9:56 AM Subject: blind_html Re: Blind accessibleYeah, I always wondered why those things have braille on them. I mean,I'm not going to be driving up any time soon.Thanks Nimer J Nimer M. JaberThe information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact thesender and delete the material from any computer.Website: http://www.empowertheblind.org Phone: (720) (251-4530) FRANK LOVERME wrote:Good point, Nim. It is we, who should adjust. After all, we are small, in numbers. I thought it strange and comical, one day, when afriend and I went to the ATM machine, for drivers, and he said to me,What does "two dots on an upward angle mean, and I told him," mostlikely the number nine, or the character 'i'." He told me, it was ridiculous to think a blind driver would need all that Braille on the keys of the drive up ATM machine, and I agreed.I'm always, Frank Check out my line of clothing for blind nudists. I try to stay competitive in the cost per custom made garments, but must adjust the rates, as the dollar fluctuates and supply and demandof the finer metallic fabrics, demands fee changes, accordingly.Also, my new transparent line, will be available, for spring, at drastically reduced prices. For more information, go to my web site or Email me directly. remember What you don't see, is what we sell.----- Original Message ----- From: "Nimer" <nimerjaber1@xxxxxxxxx> To: <blind_html@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:16 AM Subject: blind_html Re: Blind accessibleI agree with this. Also, isn't the blind community expecting too much out of the sighted? I mean, we are a minority, but even morethen that, why can't we adapt instead of force people to adapt to us?Thanks Nimer J Nimer M. JaberThe information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipientis prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact thesender and delete the material from any computer.Website: http://www.empowertheblind.org Phone: (720) (251-4530) FRANK LOVERME wrote:I think, often we expect too much, just because there is a law, which gives us unlimited access to everything. Take for instance...Clearly on a friend's Jeep steering wheel, is a Braille contraction. Now tell me, why would any blind person want to be inthe driver's seat, if he can't see to drive? I'm always, Frank Check out my line of clothing for blind nudists. I try to stay competitive in the cost per custom made garments, but must adjustthe rates, as the dollar fluctuates and supply and demand of the finer metallic fabrics, demands fee changes, accordingly. Also, my new transparent line, will be available, for spring, at drastically reduced prices. 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