The interesting thing about that particular I phone, or rather, that whole
situation, is that a few days after the San Bernadino attack, the FBI stated
that the couple was not affiliated with a terrorist network. So they
obviously had gathered enough information to make that statement. Regardless
of the statement, everyone who has referred to the attack on the media, ever
since the FBI statement, has talked as if this couple was part of a
terrorist network. I have not read any specific details about them since. I
assume they were influenced by the rhetoric of one or another extremist
group. But when people intimate that they were part of a mysterious network
and that it is vital to get information from the phone to find out more,
these statements are used to frighten the public to the point that they will
give up all civil rights in order to be safe.
Miriam
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Yediot Achronot: Israeli Tech Company is 'Outside Source' Offering to Hack
Terrorist's iPhone for FBI
Hi all,
I think that the issue is definitely not the government getting hold of what
is on one iPhone, which was confiscated a while ago, but getting the legal
sanction for breaking into all cell phones of any one of us, and keeping
track of what each of us are doing or talking about, or what those we
communicate with may be doing or talking about with others, even if it
doesn't involve the person whose cell phone was broken into...
Also, sadly, interrogating people in person may or may not produce true
information, since most people can be intimidated into saying whatever
interrogators want to hear sooner or later. There are a lot of people who
are in prison in this country, convicted of both non-political and political
crimes, because of forced confessions. So interrogation of captured suspects
shouldn't necessarily be expected to be a meaningful alternative to breaking
into cell phones.
For justice and peace,
Sylvie
from Carl Jarvis:
The actions of the FBI in searching for ways of sneaking into all our
private on-line conversations, should scare the sox off us all. The trouble
is that we are dealing with something outside the average citizen's
experience. If we were to elect a crazy president, and after assuming
office he ordered the military to attack all our major cities, we would rise
up in alarm and anger, doing what we had to do in order to protect
ourselves. But when the attack comes from outer space...the internet, we
are unable to see that the end result will be the same.
Carl Jarvis
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To: <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 9:28 AM
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: [blind-democracy] Yediot Achronot: Israeli
Tech Company is 'Outside Source' Offering to Hack Terrorist's iPhone for FBI
HI
Perhaps this wouldn't be as much of a problem if the powers that be
weren't so quick to kill anyone who is a terrorist. Perhaps we could learn
more from a live person than a cell phone.
Marsha
