Not to mention his socialist stance would get him kicked out by every preacher
man in the nation.
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[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 7:02 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Would Syrian Refugee Baby Jesus Be Allowed to
Immigrate to the U.S.?
Jesus allowed in the USA: Forget it! Jesus would not be welcomed into most
Christian Churches in this country. His strange dress alone would bar him at
the door. And his strange appearance would make him suspect as a Muslim spy.
And in speaking out against the Empire,. he would be hauled off to be water
boarded.
Carl Jarvis
On 12/26/15, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Would Syrian Refugee Baby Jesus Be Allowed to Immigrate to the U.S.?
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/would_syrian_refugee_baby_jesus_be
_allow
ed_to_immigrate_to_the_us_20151224/
Posted on Dec 25, 2015
By Juan Cole
Informed Content
This post originally ran on Truthdig contributor Juan Cole's website.
In this political season in which Syrian refugees have become a
political football, it is worthwhile remembering that baby Jesus is
depicted by the Bible as being a Syrian political refugee not once but twice.
In ancient times, "Syria" referred not to the area of the modern
country but to the entire Levant- Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Palestine
and Israel.
Scholars sometimes call it greater Syria."
So given that convention, outsiders in places like Alexandria, Egypt,
would have considered Joseph, Mary and Jesus to be Syrians. That is,
geographical conceptions such as Judah, Galilee, and Roman Judea,
would all have been hyponyms or specific places within greater Syria,
which was the hypernym.
In 135 AD, Roman Judea and Roman Syria were merged administratively
into one province called Syria.
The wise men or magi from the East and Jesus in the manger are staples
of Christmas celebrations. (Matthew does not say there were three
wise men, and early Syrian tradition held that there were 12 of them).
Actually, however many there were, the wise men caused baby Jesus a
very great deal of trouble.
Magi were the priests of the Zoroastrian or Parsi religion of ancient Iran.
Iranian religions like Zoroastrianism and Mithraism were present in
the Near East. In fact, the Iranian Parthian Empire (250 BC-220 AD),
stretching from Afghanistan to Mesopotamia, had taken the the Near
East and greater Syria away from Rome briefly for a couple of years
some 33 years before Jesus was born. In that couple of years, the
Iranians deposed the Rome-appointed local governor, Herod the Great,
who fled to Rome, and the Iranians installed the Hasmonean, Antigonus,
son of Aristobulus II, as their governor.
h/t Wikipedia
Herod intrigued with Mark Antony, who was planning a
counter-offensive, and offered him a bribe, and talked up the Persian
threat, so that the Roman senate appointed him king over the territory when
Mark Antony took it back.
Herod played the same Iran card with the Roman Senate that Binyamin
Netanyahu now plays with the US Congress.
But once back in power, Herod also did diplomacy with the Iranians
fearing that they might come back.
Iranian religious currents that stayed behind in Greater Syria carried
a prophecy of the ancient Iranian prophet Zoroaster in the Zend
Avesta, a book of scripture:
"You, my children, shall be the first honored by the manifestation of
that divine person who is to appear in the world: a star shall go
before you to conduct you to the place of his nativity; and when you
shall find him, present to him your oblations and sacrifices; for he
is indeed your lord and an everlasting king."
So Zoroaster predicted that following a star would lead his priests to
a nativity scene, where they would find the world-savior, which they
would have called Saoshyant.
Oh, no, Iranian religious leaders spreading their religious ideology
in Syria! Alert the Republican National Committee!
The delegation of wise men from Iran appear to have met with Herod
before they went off wandering around looking for the savior. Herod
tried to keep good diplomatic relations with the neighboring Parthian
Empire, still strong in what is now Iraq, explaining why he might have
given the priests safe passage.
In any case, an Iranian invasion had deposed Herod once, and he would
have been very nervous about Iranian priests spreading end-of-days
talk about the rise of an everlasting king. You just have to read the
Qumran scrolls to see that some Jewish sects would have been primed
for this Iranian message.
According to Matthew, their millenarianism got back to Herod.
He says that the magi were instructed in a dream not to go back for an
audience with Herod after he had been angered by their prophecy, and
so they departed directly "to their own country, by another way."
I.e. they sneaked back to Iran, avoiding Herod's guards.
Herod, having heard the Zoroastrian prophecy that the Saoshyant or
eternal monarch had just been born, took it literally and was afraid
that on reaching adolescence an Iranian-inspired boy-king would
dethrone him, just as the Parthian emperor had in 39 BC at the
beginning of his career. So he announced he would kill all boy babies 2
years old or less.
Matthew says that an angel appeared to Joseph in a dream and warned
him and his family to decamp.
So the flight to Egypt of the holy family was the migration of Syrian
refugees from a combination of religious and political persecution. A
blanket killing of boy babies is what we would now call a war crime,
and Jesus was directly targeted. Like little Aylan Kurdi, who washed
up dead on a Turkish beach, he was forced by a violent regime out of
his home, to seek refuge in another country. Unlike Aylan, baby Jesus
survived the journey to Egypt.
The biggest Jewish community in Roman Egypt at that time was in
Alexandria, and I have long felt that was where the holy family were
likely given asylum. Jesus was probably born around 6 or 5 BC, so
Egypt would have been governed by Gaius Turranius. Jews in Alexandria
had been given their own quarter and originally had been made equal to
Greeks by the Seleucids, but there were tensions between those two
communities, and both had tensions with the native Egyptians.
Roman amphitheater in Alexandria
Greeks considered Jews to be "atheists" because they rejected the
pantheon of gods. Just a little over thirty years before Jesus was
born, the Alexandrian Jews had been demoted from being citizens of
Alexandria to being just Egyptians. The best status was to be a Roman
citizen (as Saul/ St.
Paul was), but you couldn't become a Roman citizen without first being
an Alexandrian citizen. The Romans thus abruptly took away from Jews
the urban citizenship status they had had since the city was founded
by Alexander the Great. In 38 BC there was a riot over these issues
between the Greeks and the Jews.
(The US Congress has just made Iranian-Americans, Iraqi-Americans and
some other ethnicities with dual citizenship second-class citizens by
insisting that these citizens of the USA get visas back to the US if
they visit Iran or Iraq. Just because you think you are a citizen
with full rights doesn't mean that you will remain that way. Franco
took citizenship away from millions of Spanish leftists, and the
Bolsheviks took citizenship away from millions of White Russians).
The holy family was probably refugees for just one or two years in Egypt.
If they weren't in Alexandria, they would have been considered "Egyptians"
by the Roman authorities, a low status. If they made it to
Alexandria, they would have had more rights, but they likely suffered
from not having the same religion as the Greek and Roman elite. The
Egyptian polytheists, who still worshiped Horus and Anubis, wouldn't
have appreciated foreign "atheists," either.
Joseph was a tekton, a builder or some say carpenter. If a builder he
would have looked for day work, maybe working with stone. There would
have been no work for a carpenter in Egypt at all. Egypt doesn't have
trees suitable for woodworking, just palms. Wood has long been
imported from Lebanon for the elite, which had cedars. (To this day I
have seen Egyptian newlyweds given big wooden dresser drawers, an
extremely expensive imported gift, meant to last a lifetime). So it
is possible that the holy family was reduced to penury and living on
handouts, far from the trees of the Levant that supplied wood for
carpentry. They might have been hungry. As they fled through Sinai
to Egypt, they would have been thirsty. If Joseph could get no work
for a year or two, their clothes might have gotten threadbare or even
fallen off their bodies. They may have had to beg.
In 4 BC, Herod the Great died.
Matthew says, "But when Herod died, behold, an angel of the Lord
appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, saying, "Rise, take the child
and his mother, and go to the land of Israel, for those who sought the
child's life are dead."
First, the holy family tried to go to Judah in the north, but Herod's
son Archelaus was ruling there as a tyrant, so they had to flee Judah, too.
That was when the three of them went to Nazareth in the Galilee, which
wasn't in the territory of Archelaus but in that of Herod Antipas.
(This ruler later executed John the Baptist for denouncing his
marriage to his niece as incestuous, so the holy family's hope they
would be safe under him was misplaced).
So the toddler Jesus got to be a Nazarene because of having been a
Syrian refugee twice, once from Herod the Great in Egypt, and once
from Archelaus in Judah.
The toddler Syrian refugee would later say,
"31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with
him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory. 32All the nations
will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from
another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, 33 and he
will put the sheep at his right hand and the goats at the left. 34
Then the king will say to those at his right hand, 'Come, you that are
blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the
foundation of the world; 35 for I was hungry and you gave me food, I
was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and
you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick
and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me.' 37 Then
the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when was it that we saw you
hungry and gave you food, or thirsty and gave you something to drink?
38 And when was it that we saw you a stranger and welcomed you, or
naked and gave you clothing? 39 And when was it that we saw you sick
or in prison and visited you?' 40 And the king will answer them,
'Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who
are members of my family, you did it to me.' "
Maybe when they were refugees in Egypt, Mary, Joseph and baby Jesus
were hungry and thirsty, or lacked proper clothing, having had to flee
their homeland abruptly. Maybe Jesus grew up hearing those stories
about the Syrian refugees.
There are politicians arguing that Syrian refugees should not be
admitted to the United States, even though the US has taken in 750,000
refugees since 2001, and only a handful have gotten into
security-related trouble.
Jeb Bush said that only Christian Syrian refugees should be let in.
These American, Christian politicians would not have admitted the holy
family when they fled Herod the Great. They were Jews and that was
before Christianity. So they were non-Christian Syrian refugees. Out of
luck.
Here is the rest of what the Syrian refugee said in Matthew 25:
41 Then he will say to those at his left hand, 'You that are accursed,
depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his
angels;
42 for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you
gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome
me, naked and you did not give me clothing, sick and in prison and you did
not visit me.'
44 Then they also will answer, 'Lord, when was it that we saw you
hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did
not take care of you?' 45 Then he will answer them, 'Truly I tell you,
just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do
it to me.' 46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the
righteous into eternal life."
Maybe they should chisel it above the Capitol building.
Oxfam America's Syria Donation Page.
http://www.truthdig.com/ http://www.truthdig.com/ Would Syrian
Refugee Baby Jesus Be Allowed to Immigrate to the U.S.?
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/would_syrian_refugee_baby_jesus_be
_allow
ed_to_immigrate_to_the_us_20151224/
Posted on Dec 25, 2015
By Juan Cole
Informed Content
This post originally ran on Truthdig contributor Juan Cole's website.
In this political season in which Syrian refugees have become a
political football, it is worthwhile remembering that baby Jesus is
depicted by the Bible as being a Syrian political refugee not once but twice.
In ancient times, "Syria" referred not to the area of the modern
country but to the entire Levant- Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Palestine
and Israel.
Scholars
sometimes call it greater Syria."
So given that convention, outsiders in places like Alexandria, Egypt,
would have considered Joseph, Mary and Jesus to be Syrians. That is,
geographical conceptions such as Judah, Galilee, and Roman Judea,
would all have been hyponyms or specific places within greater Syria, which
was the hypernym.
In
135 AD, Roman Judea and Roman Syria were merged administratively into
one province called Syria.
The wise men or magi from the East and Jesus in the manger are staples
of Christmas celebrations. (Matthew does not say there were three wise
men, and early Syrian tradition held that there were 12 of them).
Actually, however many there were, the wise men caused baby Jesus a
very great deal of trouble.
http://www.juancole.com/images/2015/12/firealtar_sassanid.jpg
http://www.juancole.com/images/2015/12/firealtar_sassanid.jpg
Magi were the priests of the Zoroastrian or Parsi religion of ancient Iran.
Iranian religions like Zoroastrianism and Mithraism were present in
the Near East. In fact, the Iranian Parthian Empire (250 BC-220 AD),
stretching from Afghanistan to Mesopotamia, had taken the the Near
East and greater Syria away from Rome briefly for a couple of years
some 33 years before Jesus was born. In that couple of years, the
Iranians deposed the Rome-appointed local governor, Herod the Great,
who fled to Rome, and the Iranians installed the Hasmonean, Antigonus,
son of Aristobulus II, as their governor.
http://www.juancole.com/images/2015/12/3350px-Roman-Parthian_War_58-60.svg_.
png
http://www.juancole.com/images/2015/12/3350px-Roman-Parthian_War_58-60.svg_.
png
h/t Wikipedia
Herod intrigued with Mark Antony, who was planning a
counter-offensive, and offered him a bribe, and talked up the Persian
threat, so that the Roman senate appointed him king over the territory when
Mark Antony took it back.
Herod played the same Iran card with the Roman Senate that Binyamin
Netanyahu now plays with the US Congress.
http://www.juancole.com/images/2015/12/NookAntony7301-e1361135417750.j
pg
http://www.juancole.com/images/2015/12/NookAntony7301-e1361135417750.j
pg But once back in power, Herod also did diplomacy with the Iranians
fearing that they might come back.
http://www.juancole.com/images/2015/12/htg.jpg
http://www.juancole.com/images/2015/12/htg.jpg
Iranian religious currents that stayed behind in Greater Syria carried
a prophecy of the ancient Iranian prophet Zoroaster in the Zend
Avesta, a book of scripture:
"You, my children, shall be the first honored by the manifestation of
that divine person who is to appear in the world: a star shall go
before you to conduct you to the place of his nativity; and when you
shall find him, present to him your oblations and sacrifices; for he
is indeed your lord and an everlasting king."
So Zoroaster predicted that following a star would lead his priests to
a nativity scene, where they would find the world-savior, which they
would have called Saoshyant.
Oh, no, Iranian religious leaders spreading their religious ideology
in Syria! Alert the Republican National Committee!
The delegation of wise men from Iran appear to have met with Herod
before they went off wandering around looking for the savior. Herod
tried to keep good diplomatic relations with the neighboring Parthian
Empire, still strong in what is now Iraq, explaining why he might have
given the priests safe passage.
In any case, an Iranian invasion had deposed Herod once, and he would
have been very nervous about Iranian priests spreading end-of-days
talk about the rise of an everlasting king. You just have to read the
Qumran scrolls to see that some Jewish sects would have been primed
for this Iranian message.
According to Matthew, their millenarianism got back to Herod.
He says that the magi were instructed in a dream not to go back for an
audience with Herod after he had been angered by their prophecy, and
so they departed directly "to their own country, by another way." I.e.
they sneaked back to Iran, avoiding Herod's guards.
Herod, having heard the Zoroastrian prophecy that the Saoshyant or
eternal monarch had just been born, took it literally and was afraid
that on reaching adolescence an Iranian-inspired boy-king would
dethrone him, just as the Parthian emperor had in 39 BC at the
beginning of his career. So he announced he would kill all boy babies 2 years
old or less.
Matthew says that an angel appeared to Joseph in a dream and warned
him and his family to decamp.
http://www.juancole.com/images/2015/12/Holy-Family-flight-to-Egypt.jpg
http://www.juancole.com/images/2015/12/Holy-Family-flight-to-Egypt.jpg
So the flight to Egypt of the holy family was the migration of Syrian
refugees from a combination of religious and political persecution. A
blanket killing of boy babies is what we would now call a war crime,
and Jesus was directly targeted. Like little Aylan Kurdi, who washed
up dead on a Turkish beach, he was forced by a violent regime out of
his home, to seek refuge in another country. Unlike Aylan, baby Jesus
survived the journey to Egypt.
http://www.juancole.com/images/2015/12/ak.jpg
http://www.juancole.com/images/2015/12/ak.jpg
The biggest Jewish community in Roman Egypt at that time was in
Alexandria, and I have long felt that was where the holy family were
likely given asylum. Jesus was probably born around 6 or 5 BC, so
Egypt would have been governed by Gaius Turranius. Jews in Alexandria
had been given their own quarter and originally had been made equal to
Greeks by the Seleucids, but there were tensions between those two
communities, and both had tensions with the native Egyptians.
http://www.juancole.com/images/2015/12/roman_amphitheater.jpg
http://www.juancole.com/images/2015/12/roman_amphitheater.jpg
Roman amphitheater in Alexandria
Greeks considered Jews to be "atheists" because they rejected the
pantheon of gods. Just a little over thirty years before Jesus was
born, the Alexandrian Jews had been demoted from being citizens of
Alexandria to being just Egyptians. The best status was to be a Roman
citizen (as Saul/ St.
Paul
was), but you couldn't become a Roman citizen without first being an
Alexandrian citizen. The Romans thus abruptly took away from Jews the
urban citizenship status they had had since the city was founded by
Alexander the Great. In 38 BC there was a riot over these issues
between the Greeks and the Jews.
(The US Congress has just made Iranian-Americans, Iraqi-Americans and
some other ethnicities with dual citizenship second-class citizens by
insisting that these citizens of the USA get visas back to the US if
they visit Iran or Iraq. Just because you think you are a citizen with
full rights doesn't mean that you will remain that way. Franco took
citizenship away from millions of Spanish leftists, and the Bolsheviks
took citizenship away from millions of White Russians).
The holy family was probably refugees for just one or two years in Egypt.
If
they weren't in Alexandria, they would have been considered
"Egyptians" by the Roman authorities, a low status. If they made it to
Alexandria, they would have had more rights, but they likely suffered
from not having the same religion as the Greek and Roman elite. The
Egyptian polytheists, who still worshiped Horus and Anubis, wouldn't
have appreciated foreign "atheists," either.
Joseph was a tekton, a builder or some say carpenter. If a builder he
would have looked for day work, maybe working with stone. There would
have been no work for a carpenter in Egypt at all. Egypt doesn't have
trees suitable for woodworking, just palms. Wood has long been
imported from Lebanon for the elite, which had cedars. (To this day I
have seen Egyptian newlyweds given big wooden dresser drawers, an
extremely expensive imported gift, meant to last a lifetime). So it is
possible that the holy family was reduced to penury and living on
handouts, far from the trees of the Levant that supplied wood for
carpentry. They might have been hungry. As they fled through Sinai to
Egypt, they would have been thirsty. If Joseph could get no work for a
year or two, their clothes might have gotten threadbare or even fallen
off their bodies. They may have had to beg.
In 4 BC, Herod the Great died.
Matthew says, "But when Herod died, behold, an angel of the Lord
appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, saying, "Rise, take the child
and his mother, and go to the land of Israel, for those who sought the
child's life are dead."
First, the holy family tried to go to Judah in the north, but Herod's
son Archelaus was ruling there as a tyrant, so they had to flee Judah, too.
That was when the three of them went to Nazareth in the Galilee, which
wasn't in the territory of Archelaus but in that of Herod Antipas.
(This ruler later executed John the Baptist for denouncing his
marriage to his niece as incestuous, so the holy family's hope they
would be safe under him was misplaced).
So the toddler Jesus got to be a Nazarene because of having been a
Syrian refugee twice, once from Herod the Great in Egypt, and once
from Archelaus in Judah.
The toddler Syrian refugee would later say,
"31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with
him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory. 32All the nations
will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from
another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, 33 and he
will put the sheep at his right hand and the goats at the left. 34
Then the king will say to those at his right hand, 'Come, you that are
blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the
foundation of the world; 35 for I was hungry and you gave me food, I
was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and
you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick
and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me.' 37 Then
the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when was it that we saw you
hungry and gave you food, or thirsty and gave you something to drink?
38 And when was it that we saw you a stranger and welcomed you, or
naked and gave you clothing? 39 And when was it that we saw you sick
or in prison and visited you?' 40 And the king will answer them,
'Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who
are members of my family, you did it to me.' "
Maybe when they were refugees in Egypt, Mary, Joseph and baby Jesus
were hungry and thirsty, or lacked proper clothing, having had to flee
their homeland abruptly. Maybe Jesus grew up hearing those stories
about the Syrian refugees.
There are politicians arguing that Syrian refugees should not be
admitted to the United States, even though the US has taken in 750,000
refugees since 2001, and only a handful have gotten into
security-related trouble.
Jeb Bush said that only Christian Syrian refugees should be let in.
These American, Christian politicians would not have admitted the holy
family when they fled Herod the Great. They were Jews and that was
before Christianity. So they were non-Christian Syrian refugees. Out of luck.
Here is the rest of what the Syrian refugee said in Matthew 25:
41 Then he will say to those at his left hand, 'You that are accursed,
depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his
angels;
42 for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you
gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome
me, naked and you did not give me clothing, sick and in prison and you did
not visit me.'
44 Then they also will answer, 'Lord, when was it that we saw you
hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did
not take care of you?' 45 Then he will answer them, 'Truly I tell you,
just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do
it to me.' 46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the
righteous into eternal life."
Maybe they should chisel it above the Capitol building.
Oxfam America's Syria Donation Page.
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