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On Mar 5, 2020, at 1:31 PM, Bob Hachey (Redacted sender bhachey for DMARC)
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Hi Frank,
If Bernie were elected, I do believe there is at least a decent chance that
the lower classes would gain some increased level of security. IT will not be
a lot but it will likley be a combination of more affordable and accessible
healthcare and higher wages.
The key here is who is more likely to beat Trump anyway.
Bernie clearly has more passion behind him and that should not be discounted.
But the right has done an all-too-good job smereing socialism to make it
appear to the less informed that it is actually some kind of Soviet style
Stalinism. Why do you think that those opposed to Bernie on all sides keep
harping over and over again the word "socialism." Like it or not, that is
seen as baggage by many in the middle of this political fight in which we now
find ourselves. Whenb it comes right down to it, I dbout Sanders can win in
either Florida, Pensylvania or Wisconsin. I do think he could take Michigan
but I doubt he'd take Ohio.
Marginally, I'd conclude that Trump has a slightly better chance to beat
Trump than does Bernie. But right now, I think either one would lose to him.
This could change if we see more economic bad news before November or if
Trump keeps on acting the way he does and drives away some of his more
lukewarm supporters. Frankly, at this point Trump's most threatening enemy is
himself.
Bob Hachey
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From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2020 1:49 PM
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Subject: [blind-democracy] RE: RE: Re: Super Tuesday
Whoa back the bus up here a bit. What was that last line about some of us
getting back some financial security? How do you predict that will happen?
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<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 12:42 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] RE: Re: Super Tuesday
Bob,
You make a lot of good points. Luckily, I have the same option for voting how
I wish as you do. But I do think that our country is in a terrible situation.
Tuesday night, as I listened to the coverage by Democracy Now and The
Intercept, I heard Naomi Klein describe what four more years of Trump would
most probably mean. She's a very smart person and I think that her political
instincts are good. She sees a probable descent into Fascism with an end to
any democracy that we have left and the speeding up of environmental
degradation. Trump has already appointed a huge number of right wing judges,
not only the two on the Supreme Court, but many others in other federal
courts, and they'll be in their positions for 30 years or more. I was
reminded yesterday on one of the podcasts to which I listen, that it was
Obama that instituted the cages in which immigrant children are kept, not
Trump. So much that what Obama and the Democrats did was soft pedaled by the
news media. Then, when Trump was elected and began building on what was
already in place, the media blamed him for everything, and we all believed
them. The other important thing to remember is that Biden is really mentally
incompetent. His dementia is apparent. I'm forgetful. He's in much worse
shape than I am. The idea that the Democratic Party would promote him as a
candidate because they're so terrified of Bernie Sanders who is not going to
make any fundamental changes to our system, who just wants to go back to a
few social welfare programs, tells me how basically untrustworthy the
Democratic Party has become. Clearly, they know, if I know, that if Biden
runs for President, Trump will remain in office, and they're willing to have
that outcome rather than have their elites lose a bit of wealth and the rest
of us gain some desperately needed financial security.
Miriam
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<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Bob Hachey (Redacted
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Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 10:41 AM
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Super Tuesday
Hi Miriam,
Yes, both Biden and Trump are bad choices, I agree.
But Trump is still worse as far as I'm concerned even though I do agree with
most of your points on Biden. I don't believe that Biden is as corrupt as
Trump; That's a mighty high bar there. Biden will at least ensure no more
rightward movement of the Supreme Court and that should be beneficial to
women, especially those unfortunate to live in the hard red states that are
now declaring war on a woman's right to choose and in some cases, a women's
right to decent healthcare.
Yes, Biden is surely a hawk and way too easy on the corporate raiders,
banksters and other assorted practitioners of financial chicanery. But Trump
is all of that and so much more.
On the other hand, four more years of Trump might make more Americans ready
for real change as suggested by the more progressive wing that has now been
so cruelly squelched by the Democrat establishment.
Since Massachusetts will vote for Biden over Trump by a wide margin, perhaps
I should right in Bernie or maybe Warren? The electoral college does give me
the freedom to vote my heart with no fear of helping Trump get re-elected.
Bob Hachey
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miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2020 9:33 AM
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Super Tuesday
I'd like someone to explain to me just exactly how things would be better if
we vote for Biden. He's just as corrupt as Trump, just quieter about it. In
some ways he's more warlike, while in other ways he isn't. On Moderate
Rebels, James Cardin listed how he differs from Trump on foreign policy.
There are differences, but basically, he's not any better. All of these
people who become president, depend on advisors. His are from the Clinton
camp. His record is racist. Black people won't benefit from his presidency.
He will function similarly to Obama, but slightly worse on domestic economic
policy. He's not a meglo maniac or an incipient fascist. He's just mentally
incompetent. I'm really not sure I could bring myself to vote for such a
candidate.
Miriam
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Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 6:45 AM
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Super Tuesday
That figures.
Shall we call him a whimpy professor, or maybe we should go all Trump and
classify the Prince of Peace as an Oreo Cookie!
I hope all those folks that came out for Biden vote for him in November or
it's definitely four more year of Trump! What a drag. I'll be holding my nose
very trightly when I pull the lever for Biden in November.
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Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2020 9:09 PM
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Super Tuesday
One of the things that I learned from the Moderate Rebels podcast is that it
was good old Obama who told all those moderate Democrats to drop out of the
race and to publicly support Biden.
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<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2020 8:02 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Super Tuesday
Pretty much on target, Miriam. We do what little we can do, and then let go.
Back when I was a young man, in the 60's, I was encouraged to see an uprising
among America's Black Churches. But it didn't last long.
The Ruling Class of any nation uses religion to herd the people into
compliance.
Thomas Jefferson understood the need to keep Church and State separate. And
Karl Marx called religion the opiate of the masses.
Again, in my younger years, I was soothed by religion. Breaking that
addiction was a longer struggle than quitting smoking. But I'm okay
now...just don't get between me and my chocolates.
Carl Jarvis, singing Praise be to C's Chocolates!
On 3/4/20, miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Last night, I listened for quite some time, to the coverage of
election issues and results on the Democracy Now website. It was a
joint venture of Democracy Now and The Intercept, and there were a lot
of good people on there. But I can see where we're going. At least I
think I can, and listening to the Intercepted and Democracy Now
podcasts this morning, sort of solidifies my view. I need to keep
reminding myself that I must keep some emotional distance between
myself and what is happening, and that I have no control over
anything. But clearly, the Democratic Party is using all kinds of
dirty tricks to ensure that Bernie Sanders doesn't win the nomination.
The leadership would truly prefer another four years of Donald Trump
than to risk the possibility that some of FDR's New Deal legislation,
or some legislation approximating it, might be enacted. The
Intercepted Podcast reminded me this morning, that in 1968, Eugene
McArthy, the anti war candidate, came to the Democrdatic Convention in
Chicago with a plurality of votes, and the party did not allow him to
get the nomination. Hubert Humphrey got the nomination through a
brokered convention. And remember what followed? Nixon won the
election in a landslide. So the party leadership in 2020, would rather
keep their personal influence and incomes and promote a candidate who
is , aside from his terrible record, suffering from some kind of age
related brain damage, than to allow a people's candidate to confront
Donald Trump in the presidential election. We've watched a show for a
year and a half, a pretense in which people have appeared to compete
for the Democratic party's presidential nomination. I listened to
very intelligent, well meaning people, attempt to explain why Joe
Biden got a majority of the black vote in all those southern states.
But all their reasons made less sense than what I've heard Glenn Ford
of the Black Agenda Report say over and over again about, what he
calls, "the black misleadership class". Those people listened to their
ministers and their politicians, all of whom have been bribed, in one
way or another, by the Democratic Party. The people are vulnerable and
they turn to people whom they've ben taught to trust, to help them
survive in a racist world. If you know anything about the
Congressional Black Caucus, you know that it does not function in the
interest of black voters. It's all machine politics. In the same way
that so many white working people voted against their own interests
when they voted for Trump, black working people can also be
manipulated to vote against their interests.
Miriam
