Most of us hold beliefs for which we would give our lives, rather than
to denounce them. But kill myself? Besides the thought of burning to
death, which for me comes in the same package as drowning or being
closed alive in a coffin, it is a self defeating and futile gesture.
And as far as holding out hope that such a performance would gain me
Sainthood? Please! Take a look at all of the Saints, so proclaimed
by Men, not by God, and tell me how they have changed to crash course
we are on. Suicide is the act of a desperate person, one in whom all
hope is lost. I sincerely hope that all those of us who find
ourselves on the outside, will know for certainty that we will prevail
in the days to come. Remember, every thriving garden began with a
load of shit spread over it.
Carl Jarvis
On 11/16/16, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yes, but do we want to encourage people to set themselves on fire? There
are
saints who do that.
Miriam
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I for one have several images in my mind that influenced me for I was
sighted at the time.
The images on TV of Bull Conner and others beating and abusing
African-Americans even when I was quite young laid the seeds for later
civil
rights efforts.
The image of this buring monk in time or life (I've forgotten now), as well
as those of the "burned vietnamese girl from napalm, the pictures of the
Kent State slaughter, and the picture of the Vietcong assinated by an ARVN
officer are burned in to my cortext. They made me an anti-War protester.
They did have an impact.
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And what did that monk accomplish when he set himself on fire? I'mhttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/9/1594649/-Trump-s-Pyrrhic-Victory-Pro
willing to try to protect others and to convince people , but I'm not
willing to destroy myself or suggest that others destroy themselves. I
don't believe that violence to oneself or to others is useful.
Miriam
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Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 12:55 AM
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Hi Miriam,
If all of what you say comes to pass then it is the patriotic duty of
all progressives to fight to the death to either overthrow a wayward
government or die in a blaze of glory just as a man did in Viet Nam
when he set himself ablaze to protest the government as depicted in a
book entitled Fire in the Lake. IF it was good enough for Viet Nam,
it's good enough for America.
These are the times that try our souls.
Bob Hachey
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Vieni
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 6:31 PM
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Silver Lining for Democrats
This assumes that we'll have enough of a democratic process left to
have workable elections in which people's votes will count. It
dispenses with considerations of what is going to happen to vulnerable
populations in our country, beginning on the day that Trump takes
office. Trump plus Republican majorities in both houses of Congress
can change our whole legal structure, certainly supreme court
decisions for years to come. Space has opened up for the extreme right
wing in our population to gain power. One member already has a White
House post. To talk as if our country is going to continue as it was,
is to be detached from reality. The only things that will continue as
before are the continuation of war and the accumulation of wealth by
the 1%.
Miriam
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Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 5:46 PM
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Trump's Pyrrhic Victory Provides a BIG
Silver Lining for Democrats
Hi all,
Here's an optimistic look at last week's election. I'd say it's
well-reasoned. One point he didn't mention. Now the Democrats will be
free of the Clinton baggage.
Bob Hachey
Trump's Pyrrhic Victory Provides a BIG Silver Lining for Democrats
small/american_liberty
By Scandalous One
2016/11/09. 12:48
President Barack Obama, second from left, and Democratic presidential
candidate Hillary Clinton, left, appear on stage at a rally at
Independence Mall
in Philadelphia, Monday, Nov. 7, 2016. (AP Photo/Andrew Harnik)
I posted this over on my Facebook page and I'd like to share it here:
After mourning Trump's victory, I took the opportunity to think things
through and I suddenly saw a big silver lining for Democrats. Politics
is like a
game of chess. Trump's victory last night may have put the Democrats
in a stronger position going forward than if Hillary had won. Here's
why I'm saying
this:
If Hillary had become president on the heels of Obama's two terms, the
Democrats would be in a very vulnerable position in the next two major
elections:
the 2018 midterms and the 2020 general election. Democrats would
likely suffer heavy losses in the 2018 midterms due to historical
precedent (the party
that wins the White House usually does poorly in the following midterm
elections) and sheer voter fatigue. However, with Donald Trump in the
White House
the tables are turned and Republicans are the ones who will be in a
defensive position in 2018 as they now control both the White House
and Congress and
will have to give full account of their agenda and results to voters.
In this scenario, Democrats are likely to make significant gains in
the 2018 midterm
elections.
Then building on that, Republicans will again be on the defensive in
the 2020 general election with Trump in the White House. The core of
Republican policy
is set up to hurt the working and middle classes and benefit the rich
and powerful. Ironically, these are the same working class people who
voted for Trump.
They will inevitably feel disappointed over the next four years as
they realize that Trump can't magically solve their problems.
Going into 2020 Republicans will face die-hard opposition from
Democrats, a likely disillusioned white working class GOP base (the
manufacturing jobs are
never coming back) and an even more diverse electorate than today.
All these factors will put them in a very weak position in that
election. If Hillary
had won this year, Democrats would be the ones on the defensive.
2020 is just the year that Democrats need to win. The next US census
takes place that year and that is also when the next congressional
districts will
be redrawn. Democrats can use their electoral gains in 2020 to
Gerrymander Republicans out of the House of Representatives and regain
full control of Congress,
and lock in their majority for a decade or more.
Also a Democratic President elected in 2020 is more likely to serve
two terms, than if Hillary had won this year (one of my biggest
concerns with Hillary
winning this year is that she would not be re-elected in 2020 due to
voter fatigue; it's unlikely Americans would allow one party to
control the White
House for 4 terms).
With a Democratic President elected in 2020 serving two potential
terms (and a Democratic Congress behind him/her), Democrats would have
wide sway to reshape
the Supreme Court, and neutralize most of the destruction that would
come with Trump's one term in office. All this would be less likely if
Democrats
had retained the White House in this election.
Sometimes the biggest disappointments in life can turn out to be the
biggest opportunity.
Thanks for taking the time to read this.
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