My grandfather was a straight ticket voter. That was the grand father
who was once a KKK member. It is interesting that despite the fact that
he once was a member of the Ku Klux Klan he was a lifelong supporter of
labor unions and a yellow dog democrat. He was also a precinct captain
and I think he was involved in buying votes for the democrats. He once
said that he hoped that someday I would be able to take over his
position as a precinct captain. I was not interested. He was only barely
able to admit that Republicans were human beings. He said that if the
Democrats got too dirty for him he would just stop voting. Well, I
suppose the Democrats finally got too dirty for him, in his mind at
least. The 1972 election was the last election before he died. I was
present when some relative of his was talking about George McGovern to
him. The relative pointed out to him that McGovern had said something in
support of gay rights, only this guy did not use the word gay. My
grandfather didn't say anything, but I saw his face. I think you could
call the expression stricken. That was the last election of his life and
he had voted in every election since he had been eligible. He sat that
one out, though, and I think that conversation was why. He died in 1973.
---
Voltaire
??? Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
???
??? Voltaire,
On 7/23/2019 11:37 AM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
Roger,
I've seen too many people over the years simply vote for all
candidates in the Party of their choice. Both my grandmothers claimed
to be Lincoln Republicans. It made no difference to them that the
Party was totally different, they voted for Thomas Dewey and
Eisenhower. A frustrated professor ran for governor one year, on the
platform that he would divide Washington down the Cascade Mountains,
cutting the town of CleEllum into the twin cities of Cle and Ellum,
and then force Idaho to anex Eastern Washington. He then took a
position in Hawaii and left a month prior to elections. He received
the normal number of votes, barely losing to the incumbent.
If the majority of Americans wanted to have a more representative
government, a first step might be to ban all political advertising.
Establish open radio and TV channels and allow candidates free access.
I could get all lathered up and continue, but we know that under our
entrenched Ruling Class, there will be no change that could tip the
power, the long established control, to the People.
Carl Jarvis
On 7/22/19, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
I don't think the Australian practice of fining people for not voting
addresses the central issue either. I suspect that a lot of Australians
just randomly vote for whomever on the ballot without even paying
attention to whom they are voting for. But it still just might put a
stop to voter suppression.
---
Voltaire
??? Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit
atrocities. ???
??? Voltaire,
On 7/22/2019 10:07 PM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
Bob and Roger,
Regarding Australia fining citizens who fail to vote: again, it does
not deal with the central issue. In establishing a system that
demonstrates that it is worth supporting, and that it will represent
as best it can, the will of the majority, I think then that people
would make the effort to study issues and candidates, and vote.
Bob wrote in part: "2. we have gone very far away from the civil and
respectful discourse that should be at the heart of American
democracy."
As I browse a number of history books, I am unable to find the time in
our history that Bob is talking about.
Just looking at some of the presidents during my lifetime shows a
real contempt and lack of respect to our elected leaders. FDR was
driven to say, "And now they are even attacking my little dog Falla."
Ike Eisenhower was called by his detractors, "That Bald headed Eagle".
Of course JFK was murdered, and LBJ was called a crude Southern rabble
rouser. Nixon...well what can we say? Jimmy Carter was considered
too soft and ignorant regarding foreign involvement. Ford, Reagan and
Bush I were all put down for one reason or another. Bill(slick
Willie)Clinton, George Bush II, "the simpleton", and Barack Obama,
ignored by most of the Republican House and Senate because he was
Black.
Which brings us to Donald Trump, a man who begs for abuse...and gets it.
But the Two Headed American Political Party now holding voters
hostage, is continuing the great tradition of trashing the people who
support the other Head.
It is done because it is what we've been taught to do. All the
bickering keeps us busy, enabling the Movers and Shakers to grab the
Brass Ring. Donald Trump cries out that he will return America to her
Greatness. Well Donald, we're already there. We never left. This is
as great as it's going to get.
In closing, I hope all Americans pay more respect to the Office of the
President than Donald Trump pays.
Carl Jarvis, pledging allegiance to the Working Class People of the
United States of America.
On 7/22/19, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
What do you think of the Australian system? If you are eligible to vote
and don't vote you can be fined.
---
Voltaire
??? Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit
atrocities. ???
??? Voltaire,
On 7/22/2019 2:37 PM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
Once again the focus is on the negative. Debating who should be
denied the right to vote simply opens the door to who else should not
have the right. We need to focus on how we bring all eligible
citizens to the ballot box, and how to guarantee that their vote is
counted. While we are fretting over who should be unable to vote, the
Ruling Class is hard at work making elections worthless.
Carl Jarvis
On 7/21/19, Bob Hachey <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi all,
I agree with a good bit of Paul Street here. But Sanders lost me when
he
said that even the likes of the marathon bomber has the right to vote
while
in prison. IMHO, anyone imprisoned for violence upon another person
should
lose that right while in prison and regain it upon release. I am no
fan
of
Biden, but I'll hold my nose and vote for him in the general if for no
other
reason than to prevent Trump from winning a second term.
No doubt about it, there is plenty of both racism and hipocricy on
both
sides. How many recall how the democrats were in bed with the KKK
during
the
1920's or how southern democrats used to be known as dixicrats?
Now for the blatant free speech hipocricy coming from the right? While
conservatives rightly deride the left for its limitations on free
speech
in
the name of political correctness, look how they now support Trump in
his
attempts to shut down the free speech of the four members of the
"squad."
If
they thought that all of Trump's criticisms of the Obama
administration
were
OK during the 2016 campaign, then why are they so upset about what
folks
like AOC and Ayana Pressly have to say regarding his administration?
Two things I am sure of:
1. we are getting closer and closer to civil war.
2. we have gone very far away from the civil and respectful discourse
that
should be at the heart of American democracy.
Bob Hachey
