The traitorous misses the guy of filth sort of Joe. I brought his
contact to you. You may invite him back, so I could strike him sharp
blows. He used the (F-word) euphemistically against me in addition to
various unbearable conniptions. No one scolded him for what he did. He
fled me and hid in his vicious seclusion. I wonder, who will go next?
I am here to utterly expose and defeat Atheism and its fallacious
tenets. Someone like Roger thought he could marginalise my identity
with his mockery, I will show him who is truly diminished. Someone
hides behind counterfeit science to hide his actual ideology of
incredulity has to be exposed and wholly refuted.
On 6/18/19, Roger Loran Bailey <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
As a matter of fact, it was Mostafa who caused Joe to leave the list.
Mostafa had been here before, but had left. He showed up again just
after Joe's parents had died. Joe said to me that was the absolute worse
time for someone to come along and start preaching religion at him and
he asked me to remove Mostafa. Well, I am very loathe to actually remove
someone or to censor anyone's posts in any way. After all, this is
supposed to be a free speech zone, isn't it? So I declined to remove
him. Joe then asked me to remove himself. Fairly recently Mostafa, in
one of his fits, announced that he was removing himself, that is,
unsubscribing. I checked the subscriber list and, in fact, he had
unsubscribed and I predicted that he would probably be back. Even I was
surprised at how fast he was back though. He was back as soon as I made
my prediction. During that short time, though, I did wonder if someone
should contact Joe and invite him back. I don't remember Joe's email
address, but if someone has it and just in case Mostafa does leave us
again, for more than a day this time, it might be a good idea to invite
him back.
---
Carl Sagan
??? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. ???
??? Carl Sagan
On 6/18/2019 10:50 AM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
Roger, your remarks parrot my own. If only fanatics could understand
that other people do not share their Truth Everlasting, but still have
reasonable thoughts to share.
I remember when Mostafa first began offending Joe...who could really
froth at the mouth, I found some of Mostafa's comments to be open
honest expressions of his own influences, and I had thought we might
have a first hand look into the world Mostafa lived in. But instead
of giving us first hand views of his world, Mostafa was bent on
preaching his Gospel, and with the fervor of a Far Right Christian
Fanatic, he expounded and postured and spewed his contempt for all of
us who held different beliefs, even as he denied that this was what he
was doing. Proof of the old saying, "There are none so blind as those
who will not see". He is proud of the time he has spent understanding
his magnificent Fairy Tale, and its Hero, Allah. Today's news tells
us that Egypt's first and only elected president died during a court
hearing. No word on the Mass Media, yet. The American Empire is too
involved in promoting friendly dictators, and has no time for a loser
like a dethroned president. Notice that I didn't bother to look up
his name, since it is not included in any of the piles of publications
I receive each morning. But I do agree that not responding will
probably become tiring for Mostafa. Still, like you, I am a curious
old Soul, and will most likely peek from time to time. I do hope that
I am able to avoid any further comments on the religious aspects of
his posts.
Finally, while I disagreed with Joe's abusive attacks on Mostafa, Joe
was right in his assessment. But rather than curse Mostafa and ban
him and his beliefs, I believe that giving him room to expand on his
Faith gives us an insight on who Mostafa is, and why he holds the
beliefs he does, and why trying to convince one another of the error
of our ways is futile and a waste of time.
And so, as Porky Pig would say, "Th Th That's all, folks!"
Carl Jarvis
On 6/17/19, Roger Loran Bailey <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Well, Carl, I think I will, for the time being, follow your lead and
your and Richards advice by just deleting Mostafa's messages without
reading them. I say for the time being because I am bound to get curious
and peek eventually and if I see anything I can easily refute it will be
really hard to refrain from refuting. And here is something else. I
actually enjoy my back and forth with him to some extent. I think
everyone gets some gratification out of winning a game or a debate and I
am no exception. When he is left completely unable to refute an argument
I have made I do get some gratification out of the win. It would be
better if he would just say, I have no refutation for that argument and
so I concede. He could even add that he only tentatively concedes until
he comes up with a refutation. If he did that he would still give me
gratification, but he would give himself a reputation for being
honorable and gentlemanly. It would bolster his credibility for his next
argument because he would have shown himself to be an honorable man who
admits it when he is wrong. However, he does not choose to do that.
Instead, he chooses to throw childish tantrums with insults and name
calling. Effectively that is the same thing. If I make an argument and
he throws a tantrum instead of refuting my argument then he is
effectively admitting defeat because I am sure that if he did have a
refutation he would show it. I get the same gratification of having my
own position validated. As I have said, there are certain insults that I
do take offense to. When someone seriously expects me to believe in
religious doctrine that is very insulting and it angers me. After all,
just how daft am I being taken for? But when I get all of these childish
insults for making an argument that Mostafa cannot refute I am amused
and gratified. However, it eventually gets old. He keeps ranting the
very same rants over and over and over. I get tired of it and I am going
to take a break. He never really says anything in his rants that are
worth reading anyway, so I don't think I will miss much by just deleting
when I see that a message is coming from him. I just wonder how long I
can keep it up. I will try, but eventually I may break down and start
reading his fits of childishness again.
---
Carl Sagan
??? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. ???
??? Carl Sagan
On 6/17/2019 11:13 AM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
Thanks Roger.
Usually I can go to my Sent Folder and copy the message and re-post
it. For some reason that particular message did not show up at the
beginning of my return post. I did follow your advice and found my
ramble at the end of a very, very long email, but it was covered with
groups of three >>>'s, which I hate to read using Jaws.
Anyway, I'm glad my great words of Truth and wisdom do go forth. Even
though they fall upon deaf Egyptian Muslim Ears.
At my age I should know better than to keep offering my "other cheek"
to Mostafa. He is dedicated to his Faith. Perhaps one day he will
meet Paul or Saul on the Road To Cairo and ride off into the noonday
Sun on the back of a flying camel. .
But there are so many Real Issues confronting we Humans, as we destroy
our very Planet, that I just can't get excited over trying to prove
the non existence of a Fairy Tale God. As with the Wizard of Oz, it
is long past time for Allah to head back to Kansas.
While I do not intend to make light of Mostafa's right to believe
whatever he feels like believing, I do wish he would stop his abusive
attacks on you, Roger, and go to some Egyptian list that agrees with
his convictions.
Carl Jarvis
On 6/16/19, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
You should have a sent folder in your email program. You can find it
in
there and copy and paste it into a new email. However, if your email
program is working right and if Freelists is working right you
shouldn't
have my email address in the to field unless you are sending a private
message or unless you are doing a reply to all. Personally, I am doing
a
reply to all for group messages. That is because at some certain point
whenever I reply to a Freelists message it goes privately. It happens
with all Freelists groups, like the Bookshare lists and the SFClub
list,
so I don't think it has anything to do with this list in particular. I
asked around when it first started happening and no one had an answer,
so I solved the problem by just doing a reply to all whenever I send a
Freelists message. I know I could go into the address fields and
delete
any address other than the group address, but that is something of a
hassle, so I decided that if anyone get duplicates from me they can
just
delete them. If you are having the same problem then you could put
yourself to the same hassle that I don't want to bother with and
delete
the extraneous addresses. I do tend to get duplicates from you and I
do
just delete the extra email and it is no big problem. Let me say,
though, that messages that you say you do not see are coming through.
I
have not really checked to see if they are coming to me privately or
if
I am getting them on the list, but I think I am getting them on the
list
because when I do a reply to all I get a copy of my own email. But I
have also said that your replies are frequently appearing below all
the
quoted material and at the very bottom of the email. I think it is
those
that are most prone to be duplicates. I will also mention that when I
do
my own replies to the group I very frequently get a bounce. Because I
am
doing a reply to all I just suppose that there was some address in the
to fields that was bad, but since the message comes through to the
group
I don't worry about it. I just delete the bounce notification and move
on. So the problem is likely either with Freelists or with your email
configuration settings. Check those settings. If there is nothing
wrong
with them then I don't think you have a big problem because your
messages are getting through even if you don't see them or if?? they
are
appearing at the bottom of your emails. If you can't fix it then I
would
just suggest to everyone that when they receive a message from you
that
begins with the quote that they do a control+end to get to the bottom
and then arrow up to look for the beginning of your message.
---
Carl Sagan
??? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. ???
??? Carl Sagan
On 6/16/2019 5:20 PM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
Seems to be a problem with the posts that include your email address,
Roger. The weird thing is that I can't find my original posts to
resend.
Carl Jarvis
