We really don't know anything about what Jesus had to say. We have some
reportage about some of the things he said from many decades after he
died and where it is credible we can assume it to be true until
something comes along that would contradict it. We can also surmise some
things like that he strongly disapproved of how the Jewish Temple was
being run and when he took action on that disapproval he got himself
tortured to death for his efforts. But remember that Jesus did not found
the Christian religion that is supposedly based on his legacy. That was
founded by Paul and despite the changes it has undergone since it was
Paul's take on things that shaped the initial form of Christianity.
On 6/29/2018 1:30 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
OK.
I have a question about Jesus, however. If he actually existed, how do we know
anything about what he was really like and what he said? Could he be just a
symbol of human aspiration?
Miriam
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Without going back and reading what I wrote, I thought I said that the two
Bushes, Kennedy and FDR were members of the Ruling Class.
And when I condemn "The Ruling Class", it is always with the understanding that
it is not each individual, but rather, it is the collective abuse of the current Ruling
Class. Here in America, the Ruling Class is and has been from the day the ink was put on
the Constitution, White Male Landholders.
When I talk about, "The Working Class", I do not intend to suggest that
everyone who is within that category is hard working, honest, caring and disadvantaged.
What I see as the Working Class are those people who are underwriting the goals of the
Ruling Class, and supporting their life style as well as defending their Right to be the
Ruling Class. But within the Working Class are a growing number of people who no longer
wish to do the bidding of the Ruling Class. When that number grows it could well bring
about the overthrow of the long established Ruling Class. And so, the Ruling Class has
gone about protecting its position. The development of the Military/Industrial Complex
is the brain child of the Ruling Class, not that of the Working Class. Control of the
public media and of the Press is another defense of the Ruling Class. Our Public
Education is also a control by the Ruling Class, even as the efforts are going forward
toward privatizing education.
Of course, human beings being such diverse creatures, there are many good people scattered up and
down our Class Structure. And by the way, most of the "good" people are mixed bags. For
example, I consider myself to be a good person, a member of the Working Class, critical of the
government, critical of the long established Ruling Class and its Colonialism, concerned that
nations are becoming subjugated to powerful international corporations, a strong believer and
supporter of Human Rights and human dignity, and yet I spent my life working to "protect"
the position of the Ruling Class. As I said, I pay my taxes which go toward murdering innocent
people around the world, I worked for most of my life as a government employee, supporting the
Establishment that I criticized, and doing my best to care for myself and my wife and our families
above and beyond those of others.
Finally, I am well aware that it is Human Nature that turns a dominant Group of
People into an Oppressive, controlling Greedy, self serving Master Race...like
the American Empire.
Even those among us who understood that we need to find a way to control our
own Human Nature, people like Jesus, even Jesus became entangled in the Human
Web, mixing His philosophies into the religion and the government of the day.
And both religion and government seized upon His teachings and corrupted them
for their own use as a controlling tool.
Even Jesus was a product of His world. Taken alone, His teachings are
powerful. But they must be modified and carefully controlled in order to be of
use to those wishing to continue in power.
Carl Jarvis
On 6/28/18, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Well first of all, FDR, Kennedy, and the 2 Bush's were members of the
ruling class, not wannabees.
Second: I don't want to shock you or anything. However, it is
conceivable that an individual who was born into a family that is part
of the ruling class, might be a really good, kind, moral human being.
I'm not saying that the people whom you mentioned were, but really, to
condemn every person who is born into a wealthy family is as
prejudiced and discriminatory as condemning all poor people by assuming that
they're all lazy or stupid.
Miriam
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In my lifetime I have not seen a single president who would serve as
an example to me. Even my great hero, when I was young, FDR.
All of these men served, to one degree or another, the Ruling Class.
Most of these men were not even of the Ruling Class. But oh how they
longed to belong. FDR, Kennedy and the Bushes would probably be
allowed in. But the rest? Pretenders. Lackeys. Shills!
My three heroes are unknown to most Americans. First, my dad, Clyde
Fletcher Jarvis; next, Al Fisher; and lastly, Paul Robeson. Men of
principle. Men who knew how to stand tall for the causes they believed in.
If our species survives, it will be due to Jarvis, Fisher and Robeson
and many, many other unsung heroes, not the Trumps and Bushes or the
Clinton's and Obama's, who took their pieces of gold and bent to kiss
the hem of the Koch Brothers royal robes.
Carl Jarvis
On 6/27/18, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I read a really long article about Obama last night, about what he's
doing.
What he's doing is what he's always done, taking care of himself. I
may have already mentioned it on this list. So there are members of
his party who are very distressed with him because they feel that he
should be leading the "Resistance", doing more to fight what Trump is
doing. I find it interesting that the well known political figure who
is doing all he can to fight back, Is Bernie Sanders. He is making
speeches and introducing legislation. He visited Puerto Rico after
the hurricane. He made a statement about the Israelis shooting the
demonstrating Gazans. Obama played Golf with other rich people,
traveled to foreign countries, and has been making speeches for high
fees like $300,000. There's a podcast called, Reveal from The Center
For Investigative Reporting and PRX which I resubscribed to yesterday.
They did a report on immigration and I learned that under Obama,
families were also separated, nothing as drastic as what is happening
now, but it was happening. I was releaved that in the report, they
managed to make a gentle statement about how the problems in South
and Central America from which people are fleeing to the US, are a
result of US policy. It was comforting to know that this is being
said on podcasts other than those on the far left.
Miriam
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They say that it's always darkest before the dawn. But that bright
light is probably the end of civilization.
Carl Jarvis
On 6/27/18, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Justice Kennedy is retiring. Sometimes, he voted with the liberal
justices.
Now that he's retiring, Trump can appoint another right wing judge.
We already had 3 terrible supreme court rulings today, upholding the
Muslim ban, destroying union funding, and ruling against a
California law that required crisis pregnancy centers to tell
patients that abortion is available in California. The supreme court
will now have a
6 to 3 right wing majority.
If you can find a way to hear today's episode of Intercepted, you
should do so. It is the recording of the live show they did on June
21 with Sy Hersh and it's excellent.
However, Seymour Hersh confirmed my belief that we are now a Fascist
state, that it's impossible to impeach Trump, and that Trump may
very well win a second term.
Miraculously a very young, Puerta Rican social democratic female
with out big money, won the democratic primary in NYC against a ten
term well funded machine Democratic congressman.
Each day, I encounter evidence that my aging brain is becoming more
scrambled.
Miriam
