Fragoso writes: "After a six-year hiatus, Michael Moore - the gleefully
polemical documentarian from Flint, Michigan - is back on the silver screen
with Where to Invade Next, a jovial European excursion that propels Moore
into various countries with ingenious ideas for managing a variety of
societal constructs, from prison and education systems to parenting."
Michael Moore. (photo: AFP)
Michael Moore: Bernie Sanders "Beats Every Republican When They Go Head to
Head" - Hillary Doesn't
By Sam Fragoso, Vox
05 March 16
A conversation with the controversial documentarian.
After a six-year hiatus, Michael Moore - the gleefully polemical
documentarian from Flint, Michigan - is back on the silver screen with Where
to Invade Next, a jovial European excursion that propels Moore into various
countries with ingenious ideas for managing a variety of societal
constructs, from prison and education systems to parenting.
The grand idea? Moore will travel to these foreign lands in hopes of
stealing (or borrowing) the concepts that make them great. In Norway it's
the prison system, which fosters creativity and personal growth by
respecting its inhabitants; as a result, the recidivism rate is in the low
20th percentile. In France, children consume healthy and gourmet school
lunches that are inexplicably produced for less money than in the United
States.
Operating as a sort of lighthearted travelogue across seven different
countries, the film briskly continues like this for two hours. Moore is our
avatar, the naive traveler in Europe who inevitably discovers that a better
life may exist away from America.
And it's America that Moore appears to be a little less critical of in Where
to Invade Next. In many ways, optimism has replaced the unruly skepticism
for Washington's innumerable misdeeds that has long been present in his
work. What's hard to tell is whether this change in temperament signifies
wisdom or simply a new outlook brought on by time.
Regardless, the filmmaker appears genuinely content - both in the movie and
in conversation - especially when discussing his own success. This was clear
when we sat down for an interview to discuss the new film (which is
currently in theaters), when Moore also spoke candidly about Bernie
Sanders's presidential run, being attacked in the press by Republicans, and
why liberals are slackers.
Sam Fragoso
It's strange to think about now, but the first time most people probably saw
Bernie Sanders was in your 2009 movie Capitalism: A Love Story.
Michael Moore
It was probably the first movie he was in. Perhaps the only movie.
Sam Fragoso
When you were talking to Sanders for that documentary, was there any part of
you that thought, "This man could be our next president?"
Michael Moore
Well, I think those of us who've known for him for a long time have always
put that out there. Wouldn't that be cool if he won? But that's as far as it
ever went. I remember flying up to Burlington [Vermont, Sanders's home
state] in 1990, the second time he ran for Congress. And he has asked me -
right after Roger & Me was released - to do a rally in support of his run.
Sam Fragoso
Are you surprised that he is doing as well as he is?
Michael Moore
I'm not surprised at all, because I feel like I have my finger on the pulse
of this country. If you're just out there, you realize you can't throw
millions of people out of work over these last two decades and evict people
from their homes. The No. 1 cause of bankruptcy is medical bills. The list
goes on. The people have been battered in a pretty brutal manner. So that
someone like Bernie would rise up is not surprising at all.
Sam Fragoso
Do you think if Bernie - a man of the people - is not elected, the country
will be inching closer and closer to a revolt?
Michael Moore
Well ... I don't think [that will happen], because he'll be elected. It's
not a feeling. I look at the poll numbers. He beats every Republican when
they go head to head. Hillary loses to one of them, ties another, and beats
another by 5 points. She beats Trump by 5 points. Bernie beats Trump by 10
points. I'm optimistic that the person who is most popular will win the
contest.
Sam Fragoso
Technically, yes. But for many people, it's hard to not be fearful of
Washington's machinations.
Michael Moore
I'm not so worried about that. I'm more afraid that my side of the political
fence is the slacker end of the fence. Getting people out to vote on
Election Day is the big issue.
Sam Fragoso
You think liberals are slackers?
Michael Moore
I think liberals, Democrats, most of my friends, myself, yes. I think we
have the slacker gene in us.
Sam Fragoso
And where does the gene come from?
Michael Moore
[laughs] I don't know. It's like in The Walking Dead, you know? The guy at
the CDC tells them at the end of season one, "We all have it." On the other
side of the political fence, the Republicans will be up at 6 in the morning
voting on an election day. The only time [Democrats] see 6 in the morning is
if we've been up partying all night. The other side is committed,
disciplined, organized, lots of money. Democrats are stumbling into
Starbucks at 10 in the morning.
Sam Fragoso
Do you think it's possible to change that?
Michael Moore
I don't know if it can be changed. Just like with any kind of disorder,
medicine has been created for a lot of them. In our case, the medicine is
going to have to be: You get up that day and go vote. And you gotta bring 10
people with you.
Sam Fragoso
Since the beginning of your career, you've been attacking big institutions
from the position of the little man. However, your career has greatly
ascended. You're more Goliath than David now.
Michael Moore
Isn't that incredible? Goliath implies you have power. Yes, I've been
successful and have a very large fan base, but I don't have the kind of
political power or the power in Hollywood where I actually can make
something happen with the snap of my fingers.
Sam Fragoso
Sure, but you're not where you were when you made Roger & Me.
Michael Moore
I know, isn't that great? It's like, "Here I am." I have a high school
education. When I made Roger & Me I was collecting $98 a week in
unemployment, and now I have an apartment in Michigan and an apartment on
the Upper West Side of New York. I can't believe how lucky I am.
Sam Fragoso
Well, I'm happy for you.
Michael Moore
I'm happy. And my friends are happy for me. They never knew if I would ever
amount to anything. Now I could just make whatever movie I want.
Sam Fragoso
I can't tell if you're being a little sarcastic with me.
Michael Moore
It sounds sarcastic, but I really feel that way. I mean, c'mon! If you were
me, wouldn't you feel that way?
Sam Fragoso
Do you ever regret not finishing school?
Michael Moore
I regret it mainly because there are great books that I know I would've read
if I were forced to read them in a class. I wish I spoke languages other
than English.
Sam Fragoso
Of all the ideas presented in Where to Invade Next, which one were you most
excited by?
Michael Moore
The idea of no homework. I love that idea. Finland, they've got it made.
When I think back to when I was in high school, if I didn't have to do
homework, I know exactly how I would've used that time: doing more of the
things I enjoyed doing. I would've spent more time on my underground
newspaper that I put together. I would've finished a play that I was
writing. I would've done a lot of things, probably, and that was back in a
time when there wasn't much homework - especially compared to now. No one in
my day was up till midnight doing schoolwork.
Sam Fragoso
What happened to your play?
Michael Moore
Exactly! What did happen to it? I actually finished it the year after high
school, and I put on a production of it. It upset the community quite a bit.
In fact, I was on the board of education - I had been elected when I was 18
- and they started a recall campaign that removed me from the school board
because of this play.
Sam Fragoso
What was the play about?
Michael Moore
It was called The Tunnel, and you gotta remember this was 1973. I didn't
know at the time what the word avant-garde meant, but I would say it would
fall into that category. [It involves a play within a play, and] in the
final scene, the actor playing Jesus is up on a huge cross on the stage. And
the cross is wrapped in aluminum foil, and Jesus pulls the nails off his
hands and decides he doesn't want to be crucified, and comes down off the
cross.
Then a bunch of Republicans in the audience are very upset that Jesus is not
where he should be (up on the cross). He's now come off the cross and is
speaking gibberish about how to treat poor people and how to take care of
the world. So the audience of Republicans rush the stage and kick him and
beat him, and a guy gets out a gun and shoots him. Then they drag him back
up to the cross and get him back up there where they like him. That was the
play.
Sam Fragoso
In a way, Michael, that's kind of you.
Michael Moore
The guy on the stage? I hope not! I'm still going. It's the fifth day of
Republicans talking about me now in the news, and it's like, geez, I haven't
made a movie in six years. One day after the opening of my new movie and
[Ted] Cruz and [Jeb] Bush are all talking about me. It's funny because
they're trying to come up with the person that is the most opposite of what
they believe in. And I'm the person that pops into their minds - which of
course makes me very proud.
Sam Fragoso
I saw that Jeb Bush likened you to Donald Trump.
Michael Moore
They use my name as if it's an epitaph. To say Donald Trump is like Michael
Moore is like telling the public a good thing. You want to compare Donald
Trump to the devil, or Charlie Manson. If you're trying to attack Trump,
don't use somebody who is beloved by tens of millions of people. That's only
going to draw more people to Trump. And in fact, the day after they said
that, he went up 3 points in the polls.
Sam Fragoso
Did you think this was how your life would pan out?
Michael Moore
Yeah, sort of, in a way. When I was a little kid - 5, 6, 7 years old - I had
my own TV show. You get a big cardboard box and you cut out one end of it.
That would be the TV screen, and I'd bring people inside the box to
interview them. I had my own theme song. I remember at 6 years old my cousin
made me memorize Kennedy's inaugural address. Somewhere between 6 and 9 I
thought I'd be president someday.
Sam Fragoso
So being in front of the camera was always part of the plan?
Michael Moore
I just think I was enamored with the idea of interviewing people. I'd start
with my sisters. They were always my guinea pigs. I was a curious kid and
had a lot of questions.
Sam Fragoso
Have you ever found it difficult to stay curious?
Michael Moore
Oh, no. It's not something I work at. I'm just naturally that way. Most of
us are, don't you think? When you go through life, a lot of it gets
squelched, but hopefully not.
Sam Fragoso
What would you consider the most salient issue plaguing this country?
Michael Moore
I would say the state of journalism. I picked up a copy of Time, and I don't
think there were more than 20 pages in the magazine. It's funny how thin it
was.
Sam Fragoso
It's a sad reality.
Michael Moore
What happened?
Sam Fragoso
People don't enjoy paying for journalism, especially when most of it can be
consumed for free. Do you ever feel that resistance with your movies?
Michael Moore
No, not really. I don't like to pay my mortgage. I don't like to pay the car
payment. I think it's a normal thing that you don't want to pay for
anything. If you want to go see my movie this week, you have to pay $10 to
$12 to go do that. And I believe I make the kind of movies that you're not
going to get on the internet. So people will pay for it.
Sam Fragoso
Is there a part of you that wants to be a journalist?
Michael Moore
Of course, but I don't know what I'm going to do when I grow up.
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Michael Moore: Bernie Sanders "Beats Every Republican When They Go Head to
Head" - Hillary Doesn't
By Sam Fragoso, Vox
05 March 16
A conversation with the controversial documentarian.
fter a six-year hiatus, Michael Moore - the gleefully polemical
documentarian from Flint, Michigan - is back on the silver screen with Where
to Invade Next, a jovial European excursion that propels Moore into various
countries with ingenious ideas for managing a variety of societal
constructs, from prison and education systems to parenting.
The grand idea? Moore will travel to these foreign lands in hopes of
stealing (or borrowing) the concepts that make them great. In Norway it's
the prison system, which fosters creativity and personal growth by
respecting its inhabitants; as a result, the recidivism rate is in the low
20th percentile. In France, children consume healthy and gourmet school
lunches that are inexplicably produced for less money than in the United
States.
Operating as a sort of lighthearted travelogue across seven different
countries, the film briskly continues like this for two hours. Moore is our
avatar, the naive traveler in Europe who inevitably discovers that a better
life may exist away from America.
And it's America that Moore appears to be a little less critical of in Where
to Invade Next. In many ways, optimism has replaced the unruly skepticism
for Washington's innumerable misdeeds that has long been present in his
work. What's hard to tell is whether this change in temperament signifies
wisdom or simply a new outlook brought on by time.
Regardless, the filmmaker appears genuinely content - both in the movie and
in conversation - especially when discussing his own success. This was clear
when we sat down for an interview to discuss the new film (which is
currently in theaters), when Moore also spoke candidly about Bernie
Sanders's presidential run, being attacked in the press by Republicans, and
why liberals are slackers.
Sam Fragoso
It's strange to think about now, but the first time most people probably saw
Bernie Sanders was in your 2009 movie Capitalism: A Love Story.
Michael Moore
It was probably the first movie he was in. Perhaps the only movie.
Sam Fragoso
When you were talking to Sanders for that documentary, was there any part of
you that thought, "This man could be our next president?"
Michael Moore
Well, I think those of us who've known for him for a long time have always
put that out there. Wouldn't that be cool if he won? But that's as far as it
ever went. I remember flying up to Burlington [Vermont, Sanders's home
state] in 1990, the second time he ran for Congress. And he has asked me -
right after Roger & Me was released - to do a rally in support of his run.
Sam Fragoso
Are you surprised that he is doing as well as he is?
Michael Moore
I'm not surprised at all, because I feel like I have my finger on the pulse
of this country. If you're just out there, you realize you can't throw
millions of people out of work over these last two decades and evict people
from their homes. The No. 1 cause of bankruptcy is medical bills. The list
goes on. The people have been battered in a pretty brutal manner. So that
someone like Bernie would rise up is not surprising at all.
Sam Fragoso
Do you think if Bernie - a man of the people - is not elected, the country
will be inching closer and closer to a revolt?
Michael Moore
Well ... I don't think [that will happen], because he'll be elected. It's
not a feeling. I look at the poll numbers. He beats every Republican when
they go head to head. Hillary loses to one of them, ties another, and beats
another by 5 points. She beats Trump by 5 points. Bernie beats Trump by 10
points. I'm optimistic that the person who is most popular will win the
contest.
Sam Fragoso
Technically, yes. But for many people, it's hard to not be fearful of
Washington's machinations.
Michael Moore
I'm not so worried about that. I'm more afraid that my side of the political
fence is the slacker end of the fence. Getting people out to vote on
Election Day is the big issue.
Sam Fragoso
You think liberals are slackers?
Michael Moore
I think liberals, Democrats, most of my friends, myself, yes. I think we
have the slacker gene in us.
Sam Fragoso
And where does the gene come from?
Michael Moore
[laughs] I don't know. It's like in The Walking Dead, you know? The guy at
the CDC tells them at the end of season one, "We all have it." On the other
side of the political fence, the Republicans will be up at 6 in the morning
voting on an election day. The only time [Democrats] see 6 in the morning is
if we've been up partying all night. The other side is committed,
disciplined, organized, lots of money. Democrats are stumbling into
Starbucks at 10 in the morning.
Sam Fragoso
Do you think it's possible to change that?
Michael Moore
I don't know if it can be changed. Just like with any kind of disorder,
medicine has been created for a lot of them. In our case, the medicine is
going to have to be: You get up that day and go vote. And you gotta bring 10
people with you.
Sam Fragoso
Since the beginning of your career, you've been attacking big institutions
from the position of the little man. However, your career has greatly
ascended. You're more Goliath than David now.
Michael Moore
Isn't that incredible? Goliath implies you have power. Yes, I've been
successful and have a very large fan base, but I don't have the kind of
political power or the power in Hollywood where I actually can make
something happen with the snap of my fingers.
Sam Fragoso
Sure, but you're not where you were when you made Roger & Me.
Michael Moore
I know, isn't that great? It's like, "Here I am." I have a high school
education. When I made Roger & Me I was collecting $98 a week in
unemployment, and now I have an apartment in Michigan and an apartment on
the Upper West Side of New York. I can't believe how lucky I am.
Sam Fragoso
Well, I'm happy for you.
Michael Moore
I'm happy. And my friends are happy for me. They never knew if I would ever
amount to anything. Now I could just make whatever movie I want.
Sam Fragoso
I can't tell if you're being a little sarcastic with me.
Michael Moore
It sounds sarcastic, but I really feel that way. I mean, c'mon! If you were
me, wouldn't you feel that way?
Sam Fragoso
Do you ever regret not finishing school?
Michael Moore
I regret it mainly because there are great books that I know I would've read
if I were forced to read them in a class. I wish I spoke languages other
than English.
Sam Fragoso
Of all the ideas presented in Where to Invade Next, which one were you most
excited by?
Michael Moore
The idea of no homework. I love that idea. Finland, they've got it made.
When I think back to when I was in high school, if I didn't have to do
homework, I know exactly how I would've used that time: doing more of the
things I enjoyed doing. I would've spent more time on my underground
newspaper that I put together. I would've finished a play that I was
writing. I would've done a lot of things, probably, and that was back in a
time when there wasn't much homework - especially compared to now. No one in
my day was up till midnight doing schoolwork.
Sam Fragoso
What happened to your play?
Michael Moore
Exactly! What did happen to it? I actually finished it the year after high
school, and I put on a production of it. It upset the community quite a bit.
In fact, I was on the board of education - I had been elected when I was 18
- and they started a recall campaign that removed me from the school board
because of this play.
Sam Fragoso
What was the play about?
Michael Moore
It was called The Tunnel, and you gotta remember this was 1973. I didn't
know at the time what the word avant-garde meant, but I would say it would
fall into that category. [It involves a play within a play, and] in the
final scene, the actor playing Jesus is up on a huge cross on the stage. And
the cross is wrapped in aluminum foil, and Jesus pulls the nails off his
hands and decides he doesn't want to be crucified, and comes down off the
cross.
Then a bunch of Republicans in the audience are very upset that Jesus is not
where he should be (up on the cross). He's now come off the cross and is
speaking gibberish about how to treat poor people and how to take care of
the world. So the audience of Republicans rush the stage and kick him and
beat him, and a guy gets out a gun and shoots him. Then they drag him back
up to the cross and get him back up there where they like him. That was the
play.
Sam Fragoso
In a way, Michael, that's kind of you.
Michael Moore
The guy on the stage? I hope not! I'm still going. It's the fifth day of
Republicans talking about me now in the news, and it's like, geez, I haven't
made a movie in six years. One day after the opening of my new movie and
[Ted] Cruz and [Jeb] Bush are all talking about me. It's funny because
they're trying to come up with the person that is the most opposite of what
they believe in. And I'm the person that pops into their minds - which of
course makes me very proud.
Sam Fragoso
I saw that Jeb Bush likened you to Donald Trump.
Michael Moore
They use my name as if it's an epitaph. To say Donald Trump is like Michael
Moore is like telling the public a good thing. You want to compare Donald
Trump to the devil, or Charlie Manson. If you're trying to attack Trump,
don't use somebody who is beloved by tens of millions of people. That's only
going to draw more people to Trump. And in fact, the day after they said
that, he went up 3 points in the polls.
Sam Fragoso
Did you think this was how your life would pan out?
Michael Moore
Yeah, sort of, in a way. When I was a little kid - 5, 6, 7 years old - I had
my own TV show. You get a big cardboard box and you cut out one end of it.
That would be the TV screen, and I'd bring people inside the box to
interview them. I had my own theme song. I remember at 6 years old my cousin
made me memorize Kennedy's inaugural address. Somewhere between 6 and 9 I
thought I'd be president someday.
Sam Fragoso
So being in front of the camera was always part of the plan?
Michael Moore
I just think I was enamored with the idea of interviewing people. I'd start
with my sisters. They were always my guinea pigs. I was a curious kid and
had a lot of questions.
Sam Fragoso
Have you ever found it difficult to stay curious?
Michael Moore
Oh, no. It's not something I work at. I'm just naturally that way. Most of
us are, don't you think? When you go through life, a lot of it gets
squelched, but hopefully not.
Sam Fragoso
What would you consider the most salient issue plaguing this country?
Michael Moore
I would say the state of journalism. I picked up a copy of Time, and I don't
think there were more than 20 pages in the magazine. It's funny how thin it
was.
Sam Fragoso
It's a sad reality.
Michael Moore
What happened?
Sam Fragoso
People don't enjoy paying for journalism, especially when most of it can be
consumed for free. Do you ever feel that resistance with your movies?
Michael Moore
No, not really. I don't like to pay my mortgage. I don't like to pay the car
payment. I think it's a normal thing that you don't want to pay for
anything. If you want to go see my movie this week, you have to pay $10 to
$12 to go do that. And I believe I make the kind of movies that you're not
going to get on the internet. So people will pay for it.
Sam Fragoso
Is there a part of you that wants to be a journalist?
Michael Moore
Of course, but I don't know what I'm going to do when I grow up.
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