Carl,
What I am wondering, particularly because I subscribed to her newsletter after
you forwarded a few, is who Heather Cox is. She's repeating Democratic Party
talking points. The national security community whom she refers to is, if I
remember correctly, 7 or maybe it was 12 people from our various spy agencies
who said that there was proof of the Russian government stealing those Clinton
emails. But then there's a group of retired government experts like Thomas
Drake who say that there's evidence that it wasn't the Russian government. One
reads Mueller's words about the Russians and the Trump campaign, and those
words can be interpreted however one chooses, depending on one's point of view.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 3:54 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: May 8, 2020
Miriam,
And going along with what you say, is the problem that there are big bunches of
very smart people who have strong prejudices and spin very believable webs.
But as I read them, I stick to my basic question, What is the basic issue?
What I gather from all the, "He says, She says" being tossed around is that the
American People have lost their Trust in their leaders...and probably in their
government as a whole. We are denied access to so much information, because it
would embarrass the current administration, but at the same time we are trying
to sort out facts that are being deliberately distorted.
If we are going to survive, how do we turn the corner?
Carl Jarvis
On 5/9/20, miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
You know, people in presidential campaigns often talk with people from
other countries. Flynn was a lobbyist for Turkey at the time, but this
is all about Russia. There's smoke, but the smoke is Russiagate smoke
produced by the Democratic party. I listened to Aaron Mate talk about
this on Loud and Clear. I don't claim to understand all the
complexities, but I do have a sense that there's a whole lot of false
innuendo mixed in with all of this.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 11:54 AM
To: blind-democracy <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: May 8, 2020
The old saying, Where there's smoke there's fire, has been modernized.
"Where there's smoke, there are mirrors."
Carl Jarvis
On 5/9/20, Heather Cox Richardson from Letters from an American
<heathercoxrichardson@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yesterday’s attempt by the Department of Justice to withdraw the case
against Trump's former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn after
he had already pled guilty has roiled the country with its assault on
the rule of law. Flynn pled guilty to lying to the FBI about five
phone calls between himself and the Russian ambassador, Sergey
Kislyak, on December 29, the same day the Obama administration
announced retaliatory measures for Russian interference in the 2016
election. Flynn told the officials that he and Kislyak did not talk
about lifting Russian sanctions after Trump was inaugurated, but news
quickly broke that they had. He resigned, pled guilty, and cooperated
with the investigation of Special Counsel Robert Mueller into Russian
interference in the 2016 election.
Flynn resigned on February 13, 2017, and the next day Trump summoned
FBI Director James Comey to the Oval Office and asked him to drop the
case against Flynn. Comey continued to investigate Russian
connections to the Trump campaign, and Trump fired him on May 9,
2017. The next day he met in the Oval Office with Russia’s foreign
minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, and with Kislyak. He told the men that “I
just fired the head of the FBI. He was crazy, a real nut job…. I
faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.” He added:
“I’m not under investigation.” American journalists were barred from
the event, but Russian journalists took photos. Comey’s firing led to
the appointment of Special Counsel Robert Mueller to investigate
Russian interference in the 2016 election, with Mueller essentially
taking over where Comey left off.
Today we learned that the DOJ move to dismiss the case against Flynn
came after a phone call yesterday between Trump and Russian President
Vladimir Putin in which they discussed the US investigation into
Russian interference in the 2016 election. While the White House
simply said that the two leaders had discussed the pandemic, arms
control, and the 75th anniversary of Victory in Europe day, Trump
told
reporters: “I said, ‘You know, it’s a very appropriate time, because
things are falling out now and coming in line showing what a hoax
this whole investigation was, it was a total disgrace, and I wouldn’t
be surprised if you see a lot of things happen over the next number
of weeks…. This is just one piece of a very dishonest puzzle.”
First off, let’s be clear that the US intelligence community, Special
Counsel Robert Mueller, and the bipartisan Senate Intelligence
Committee, all have concluded that Russia interfered in the 2016
election to help Trump’s campaign. In January 2017, shortly before
Trump took office, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper
released a report that aggregated the findings of the FBI the CIA,
and the NSA (National Security Agency, which operates under the
authority of the Director of National Intelligence).
It said: “Russian efforts to influence the 2016 US presidential
election represent the most recent expression of Moscow’s
longstanding desire to undermine the US-led liberal democratic order,
but these activities demonstrated a significant escalation in
directness, level of activity, and scope of effort compared to
previous operations. We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin
ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential
election. Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the US
democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability
and potential presidency.
We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear
preference for President-elect Trump.
We have high confidence in these judgments.”
Since this assessment, Trump has attacked FBI agents for launching
an illegal investigation and setting out to destroy him for political
reasons.
But the bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee, chaired by
Republican Senator Richard Burr of North Carolina, has consistently
supported the work of the intelligence community. On April 21, 2020,
it released the fourth of five volumes about Russian interference in
2016. This volume examined the “sources, tradecraft, and analytic
work behind the 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA) that
determined Russia conducted an unprecedented, multi-faceted campaign
to interfere with the 2016 U.S.
presidential election.” In other words, was the FBI out to get Trump,
or was it doing its business the way it should?
Like the previous ones, this volume agreed with the intelligence
community’s assessment that Russia had interfered in the 2016
election to favor Trump.
It concluded that intelligence analysts were under “no political
pressure to reach specific conclusions.” Chairman Burr said “The ICA
reflects strong tradecraft, sound analytical reasoning, and proper
justification of disagreement in the one analytical line where it
occurred.” Additionally, Burr warned that Russian interference is
ongoing, and threatens the 2020 election.
The Mueller Report also established that Russia interfered in the
2016 presidential election. Russian operatives “carried out a social
media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump
and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton,” and they
stole emails from the Democratic National Committee, as well as
Democratic officials, and released the stolen documents.
But that’s not all from the Mueller Report. It “identified numerous
links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign.” The
next sentence is difficult, but it’s important to read the original,
and the one after it, because they are so very deliberately worded:
“Although the investigation established that the Russian government
perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to
secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit
electorally from information stolen and released through Russian
efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the
Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government
in its election interference activities.” Then it added: “A statement
that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not
mean there was no evidence of those facts.”
Essentially, the Mueller Report says that the Russians wanted to help
Trump win, and the Trump campaign was willing to accept help, and
that there was evidence the two sides were working together, but
Mueller did not have enough evidence—in part because witnesses were
lying or withholding evidence—to make a criminal indictment.
Still, Trump has spent his whole presidency trying to convince
Americans that all of these independent career officials and elected
officials are persecuting him because they didn’t want him to be
elected (although, of course, if so, all their efforts were for
naught, because he IS president, and no one has seriously challenged
his election). In addition to attacking the intelligence community,
he has tried to advance the theory that it was Ukraine, not Russia,
that attacked the 2016 election-- a theory that in her testimony
before the House Intelligence Committee Russia expert Fiona Hill
explained was Russian propaganda.
And now, Trump’s loyalist in the Department of Justice, Attorney
General Barr, has thrown out the findings of his own Justice
Department inspector general, Michael Horowitz, who concluded in
December 2019 that the FBI investigation of Trump’s campaign was not
politically motivated, and that it was begun legitimately. The
argument for throwing out the Flynn case is that the FBI interview in
which Flynn lied did not have “a legitimate investigative basis,” and
therefore the statements were not material even if they were false.
This is directly counter to what the DOJ’s own inspector general
established.
Barr has appointed his own special inspector to look into the origins
of the Russia probe. He tapped Connecticut U.S. Attorney John Durham,
whose inquiry quietly shifted to become a criminal investigation last
October. Some observers are concerned that Durham will prosecute
those involved in the Russia investigation to give Trump political
fodder before the 2020 election. Trump’s comments to reporters today,
along with a tweet, were ominous. He tweeted: “Yesterday was a BIG
day for Justice in the USA….
Congratulations to General Flynn, and many others. I do believe there
is MUCH more to come! Dirty Cops and Crooked Politicians do not go
well together!"
It seems equally likely to me that Trump is simply undermining
opposition in the intelligence community so that he can move to lift
the sanctions Russia so badly wants gone. In any case, Russia looks
to be as big an issue in 2020 as it was four years ago.
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