Right, it's God's fault, or the fault of natural design. (smile)
Miriam
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Miriam,
I agree, and all you said brings us to the question: Could it be that our most
basic problem is how we Humans are put together?
Carl Jarvis
On 5/5/17, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Carl,
Let's differentiate between human nature and specific economic
systems, and between economic systems and forms of government. Also,
there's a difference between pre literate societies and those which
have a written language and use written history in order to pass
information down from one generation to the next. It's not that I want
to be pedantic or picky. It's that I think that if we're going to talk
about the issues that we're facing now, we'll do better in terms of
solutions if we don't think in just really broad generalizations. So
yes, I agree that there have always been some people who want to
dominate others. But whether and how they do that, depends on the kind
of society they live in, and its culture. Not every war like society
has a Capitalist economy, nor has every war like society been literate or
Christian, Jewish or Muslim. Some have been complex while others have not.
Miriam
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Miriam,
Actually, I'm not too well read regarding the forms of government that
came prior to Feudalism. But whatever they were, I can bet that they
involved some people holding control over others. I think that every
form of government has or had two things in common, strong arm
control, and ignorance.
The power to hold some of the people captive, whether as slaves,
serfs, indentured or whatever, and the muscle to maintain that control
over long periods of time, then allows Ignorance to rule. Control can
be maintained by inventing an all powerful Being who knows all and
sees all. Control can be kept by mind control of young men, trained
and armed, who will defend the Controllers.
But my point is that no matter what names we give it, the pattern of
our governments appears to be the same. Does it matter if we accept
the sacrifice of young virgins to placate our Make Believe Gods, or
whether we gun down young Blacks in the street in order to keep the
population under our boot heel? Is a Serf, bound to his Lord's land
any less well off that the Slave, bound to his Master's plantation?
or the unemployed young Black man or woman trapped in the rat infested slum?
No hope is no hope no matter how it's served up.
So we have come to a place where we call "civilisation" this wonderful
world of technology. So many labor saving developments. So many
creature comforts. So many fun toys. But are we any freer? Can we
really call ourselves Independent? Shouldn't advanced civilization
include Hope, Self Respect, Opportunity, Security for both ourselves and for
our family?
When we are so conditioned that we can be herded by the use of fear,
then we are no closer to being civilized than Alley Oop.
On 5/5/17, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Carl,
Capitalism was the next stage. We moved from feudalism to something,
a system which encouraged industrialization. Capitalism was what did
that. I think that's what Joe meant.
Miriam
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As a matter of fact, Miriam, I mostly agree, and enjoy Boardman's
articles.
I was grumpy and picking knits...or are they nits? In fact, compared
to what I'm now hearing on NPR, Boardman is a breath of fresh air.
Perhaps I read Joe's comments too rapidly, since I do not have the
luxury of time and lots of underpaid staff as our Glorious Leader
has, but I am not convinced that Capitalism was an improvement over
previous forms of government. In fact, we've had to create a Fairy
Tale, a Make Believe Never Never Land in order to believe that
Capitalism was the best road to travel. In Truth, it is the road to
Hell. And we are a long way down it, with the corruption of
Capitalism into Corporate Capitalism and the emerging Corporate
Nations. Think of all those glorious conquests by the Gold and Jewel
Seekers sailing around the world spreading Capitalism among the
backward locals. Since capitalism has built into its very fabric,
Greed, then it can never be controlled, and most certainly never be
turned to as a fair ruler.
As for our Fairy Tale ability to switch names to protect the guilty,
the old word, "Slave" has fallen out of Vogue these days.
"Incarcerated" is our New World term for Slave. And boy are we
packing them in! In case anyone wonders who will replace those
sneaky Mexicans who creep into our fields and underbid jobs needed
by our young White boys, you know them, the ones sitting of the steps
of their single-wide, drinking beer and cursing Socialists. Well,
fear not, all we need to do is to send out our well armed and well
protected police, and round us up a bunch of them lazy Black Boys.
And some of us never thought that the South could Rise Again.
But, all sleazy joking aside, nothing has really changed since the
day when Columbus first lied to the Natives who welcomed him and his
butchers to their shores. And we've lied, and bullied our way
across this entire continent and beyond...way beyond. And all the
litter we see about us, all the trash and the broken bodies and the
ruined cities and the pollution and the foulness of greed driven
barbarians, all of that and more are part of Capitalism.
But nothing is going to change until enough of us toss aside the
Fairy Tale Book and draft a new Bill of Rights. A Bill of Rights
that includes All People, All Life, All that goes into making Mother
Earth our Garden of Eden.
Carl Jarvis
On 5/4/17, joe harcz Comcast <joeharcz@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I understand. No disagreement here.
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Joe,
I wasn't implying that we disagreed. We're saying the same thing in
different ways. I just posted a long New Yorker article about
possibilities
for Trump's impeachment that I learned about on the Nation's
podcast, Start
Making Sense. It will probably be in next week's Audible's summary
of The New Yorker on BARD. It doesn't give me much comfort, however.
Miriam
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Where is our disagreement if any? For I think that Trump is an
absurd clown
put in place by his corporate masters and dillusions of the people
by same not unlike Hitler or Mussolini. A narcist now out of control
of his masters.
BTW I can't believe this shit is happening. Regardless, I don't
disagree with a word of what you say here Miriam.
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Well, if you look at the phenomenon of Trump, or if I do, I see
three dimensions. He's really mentally disturbed. People say,
"Narcissistic Personality", which may be the correct diagnosis. I
don't know. But what I do know is that he can't concentrate, ,
doesn't have a clear understanding of issues , and is focused on
himself and his own gratification. He's self-centered and he is good
at manipulating in order to get what he wants.
So take that personality and add to it that he's extremely wealthy
and wealth, in this society, gives you power. But he's heading up an
incredibly corrupt political party which Noam Chomsky says, is the
most dangerous organization in the world because its policies are
leading to the destruction of life on our planet. But the third part
of the picture is that this is a symptom of what western
civilization has evolved into. This is where Capitalism or something
has led us because Obama and the Clintons and all of the corporate
Democrats held the door wide open. But the Democratic Party turned
right in the 70's because of all of the money and planning and
organization of folks like the Heritage Foundation, The Koch
Brothers, The Kato Instsitute, the Peterson Institute, all evolving
from the resistance to the New Deal.
Miriam.
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The self serving, and often outright corruption of entitled
democrats is only outshadowed by the shameless fascism and outright
kleptrocracy of the republicrats. I too wring my hands at this
outrage of Obama. I really do.
But, I also shuck at the horror of the outright and utter and
obvious corruption and perfidy of Trumph which expands this
corruption and horror by expodential ammounts of waste, fraud,
abuse, nepotism and, again utter kleptroracy! It is not to absolve
Obama here at all, but rather to look at thins in matters of degrees.
I guess I'm comparing things here under the historical eyes of the
Weimer Republic and those under the rise of Hitler.
Actually those are apt outlooks in my mind as we are raising now
between revisiting things that were injustice, and corrupt towards
days that are existintial threats towards the viability of humanity
itself and, indeed all life on this planet.
Still they are worth talking about, as are subsets.
I still rage against the corrupted machinery against our civil
rights as people with disabilities for example that is ongoing.
Realistically I state here and now that no ex-President, and more
importantly, no human being or citizen of this planet wshould be
denied a certain quality of life. In other words we all want,
including those of us who are nominal socialists, a good life,
including one that has material comforts. That is what nominal
socialists or fellow travelers always wanted when push came to shough.
We want a world that is just, and in which all have enough to eat,
with comfortable abodes to protect us, and with things like health
care for all, and with clean, potable water, transportation,
effective communications and so on and so forth.
We want and wanted a world where "jealously" didn't reign the day
either, for we shouldn't covet ty neighbors goods per se, a valuable
construct that was perverted by the ruling class by the way.
What that meant is that things shouldn't be based upon exploitation
and abuse and that things, material things, and, prosperity
relatively speaking should be shared for the common benefit and
thecommon good and the commonweal.
Republican capitalism was a great leap forward ironically over prior
systems. Problem is that it devolved and ignored the basic premise
of raising all boats and shared eexperiences and results in ever
escallating crisis and injustices. Slavery was replaced by wage
slavery. And power was held along with most wealth in tinier and
tiner hands until it all led to the tiniest of hands with Trumph.
BTW that wealth was not created by those tiny hands either but,
rather the hands of the working class, even as defined today; which
is to say the producers of whatever we now define as real wealth itself.
Oh but, I poke my head above and beyond list frays here to say:
"Shame on you Obama," even though I at the same time really wish for
another four years, again relatively speaking.
For crying out lough this Trump thing makes me think (and again
relatively) nostalgectically for the days of Reagan or G.W. Bush for
crisake?
For now we've devolved from thehypocritical to the stupid to the
innately cruel.
And that is a recipe for more than disaster. It is a recipe for
human extinction as Carl suggests and, perhaps, as an aside a
repudiation of Darwin, but I digress.
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I love Bordman. He does an opinion piece each week. Like Robert
Scheer, he's a product of the Vietnam anti-war movement. Innitially,
I saw a headline or heard a short snippet about Obama's $400,000
speech and I thought, "No wonder he was so supportive of Hillary.
He's doing exactly what she's been doing. These corporate Democrats
represent themselves as a people's party and then they shamelessly
make millions based on having held office". So I was really happy to
read an article that expressed my outrage at Obama and the rest of them.
Miriam
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Faint Praise for Barack Obama's
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As I began reading this article, I thought, "Here is an example of a
No News Article. I mean, who cares what the Obama's do with the
rest of their lives, or how richly they are rewarded for playing
patsy to their Billionaire Masters? The only difference between the
Obama's and all their predecessors, including Gentleman Jimmy
Carter, is the color of their skins.
It is the reward for being Faithful to the Establishment.
But the article did pick up toward the end, and is well worth wading
through the padding(after all, Boardman does need to crank out words
in an effort to make his living).
But I personally feel that time needs to be spent on how Barack
Obama and those who "graced" the Office of the Leader of the World'
Mightiest Empire came to be such War Lords and Murderers. Like
Donald Trump and Bushes I and II, and Bill Clinton, and the Mighty
Mouth, Ronald Reagan, Ford and Nixon and beyond, Barack Obama is
simply a product of our American Empire's Capitalist System.
Capitalism, like Cancer, depends upon growth and expansion. A fast
moving cancer never stops to allow its Host to rebuild before
continuing to grow.
Nor does Capitalism. Capitalism long term goals are short term profits.
Never put off until tomorrow what you can grab today, is the driving
motto.
So we working class folk came to this place in our history through
our own weaknesses. We bought into the Capitalists belief that
wealth is the sign of success, and great wealth is the sign of
genius. We accepted the belief that we can expand forever. Even
understanding that our Planet Earth has certain hard and fast
limits, we go forward as if there is no tomorrow...and that may well
be our future. We have become Consumers, not Workers.
Everything in today's world is "sponsored" and we must buy buy buy
in order to keep our hopes alive.
We even vote into office the very people who will defend the
Capitalists right to fleece us. I turned on the Mariner, Angels
game last night and the first words over the TV speakers welcomed us
to the name of the Corporation that paid to have the right to call
this baseball stadium by their name.
And it was said over and over.
Constant advertising for pennies cost per mention. And that is
where our genius is being focused. New improved methods of getting
your name in front of the suckers, and new improved gadgets to
replace the beads and shiny bobbles we used to bribe the Natives who
were blocking our expansion back on Manhattan Island. And just like
a flock of pigeons, we peck away at the shiny toys, desiring to keep
pace with modern technology and dine on the dwindling resources of
Planet Earth.
No, Barack Obama is not the problem, anymore than is Donald Trump.
Even Capitalism is not the root of the problem. The problem we must
solve, if we care to survive, is our own foolish, herd-like
mentality that causes us to believe that we can rape and abuse this
Planet Earth forever. If we can't come to our senses soon, then our
Ship of Fools will be dashed upon the cruel rocks of oblivion.
Carl Jarvis
On 5/3/17, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Barack Obama. (photo: Susan Walsh/AP)
Faint Praise for Barack Obama's Embrace of Wealth By William
Boardman, Reader Supported News
03 May 17
If the Obamas aren’t living the American Dream, then who is?
Now they are offering the man $400,000 for making just one
60-minute speech (and another $400,000 for a 90-minute speech).
That $400,000 is more than twice the average net worth of most
Americans at their wealthiest ($194,226 in 2011, mostly in the
worth of a home). A Credit Suisse survey in 2014 put Americans’
average net worth at “a whopping $301,000,” still well below what
rich people will pay for a one hour speech by a former president.
Even Obama’s annual pension is more than what most Americans own
(his pension is $205,700 plus roughly $150,000 in perks). Speaking
at a rate of
$400,000 per hour translates to $16 million for a forty-hour work
week; even if the speech takes a day to prepare, that’s still $2
million a week. An annual household income of $450,000 puts you in
the top one percent. It takes an income of almost $150,000 to be in
the top ten percent. Most Americans don’t even dream of a payday in
the millions.
Why shouldn’t he go for it? That $400,000 speech is almost as much
as his taxable income in 2015 ($436,035, from publicly released tax
returns). In 2015, the Obamas paid $81,472 in federal income tax,
more than Americans’
average annual household income of $55,775). Citizen Obama is
already way richer than 90% of his fellow citizens (and almost all
Kenyans probably), so why shouldn’t he try to increase that gap
between himself and the hoi-polloi? At the same time why shouldn’t
he be trying to narrow the much more gigantic gap between himself
and his mega-rich play-pals, like Richard Branson (net worth over
$5
Billion) or David Geffen (net worth over $7 Billion). Barack and
Michelle Obama together have a net worth of only $24 million or so,
up from a mere $8 million when he became president. Or to put it in
perspective, when he became president, Obama was already in the top
one percent of wealthiest Americans.
None of this is meant to suggest that the Obamas are doing anything
wrong in the way they are living their post-White House lives,
insofar as we know.
At
least he’s not crying poor the way Hillary “dead broke” Clinton did
when departing Pennsylvania Avenue. Nor has he been smarmily coy
like then-Presidential multi-millionaire Bush telling The New York
Times that, in retirement, “I’ll give some speeches, just to
replenish the ol’ coffers.”
In fairness, it should go without saying that, in the White House,
President Obama was probably, on balance, preferable to his most
recent predecessors, and is still a notch above the current incumbent.
That said, Obama’s presidency was mostly an ineffectual limp rag of
minimal horror that looks good mainly in contrast to the glaringly
worse high crimes and misdemeanors of others. There’s no good
reason he shouldn’t cash in in the same ways his less worthy
predecessors have. Obama fits quite comfortably into the cliché of
useless, self-regarding ex-presidential lifestyle to which the only
recent arguable exception is Jimmy Carter.
Responding to Obama’s acceptance of the traditional emoluments of
out-of-office, the flusterings of the twitterati have often
portrayed themselves as shocked, shocked to find that there’s
post-presidential enrichment going on (but they express that shock
with none of the patent irony of Captain Renault in Casablanca).
The moral fatuity of these nattering nabobs of nonsense is nothing
new, it has long been the ruling class’s farcical manner of
flattering itself that it has actual principles beyond just having
more. The last few minutes of a Bill Maher clip illustrate the
dominant mind bubble, where only billionaire Nick Hanauer reveals
any sense of the greater good, wishing Obama had spent time
building houses for Habitat for Humanity and identifying wealth
disparity as tearing the country apart. The three show biz
millionaires at the table don’t even acknowledge either point.
But then there’s Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders, both of whom
seem to be running for president in 2020.
Warren, the Democratic senator from Massachusetts and former
Harvard Law School professor, said on SiriusXM, referring to news
of Obama’s
$400,000 speaking fee:
I was troubled by that … One of the things I talk about in the book
[This Fight Is Our Fight: The Battle to Save America's Middle
Class] is the influence of money. I describe it as a snake that
slithers through Washington and that it shows up in so many
different ways here in Washington…. There's more of us than there
is of them. And we've got to use our voices and our votes and fight back.
Warren’s use of “us” is rather elastic, since she and her husband
have a net worth of roughly $8.75 million, enough to be at the
bottom of the top one per cent by wealth. The couple’s annual
income of roughly
$950,000 is well within the top one percent. She received an
advance of $525,000 for her book, This Fight Is Our Fight.
Sanders, the independent senator from Vermont and former
congressman, told
CNN:
Look, Barack Obama is a friend of mine, and I think he and his
family represented us for eight years with dignity and intelligence.
But I think at a time when we have so much income and wealth
inequality ...
I think it just does not look good…. It's not a good idea, and I'm
sorry President Obama made that choice.
Sanders is not among the top one per cent in wealth or income. He
and his wife have a net worth of roughly $1.6 million, putting them
comfortably within the top ten percent. The couple’s joint income
of
$205,271 in 2014 is also well within the top ten percent. For all
of that, Sanders does in fact “remain one of the poorer members of
the United States Senate.”
The point of all this has nothing to do with hypocrisy, which may
or may not exist in any of these examples. What’s truly “troubling,”
what really “does not look good,” is that, in retrospect, Obama now
appears the consummate huckster, a man whose gulls remain full of
admiration for the man they fail to realize has fleeced them from
beginning to end with empty eloquence. And now the dark joke is
that those who benefitted most from all that empty eloquence are
willing to pay handsomely to hear more of it.
THAT should be troubling, yet few seem troubled by it.
And that’s all you really need to know to understand why we’re
where we are now, no longer with a charm shark but with an
unabashed con man as leader of the free world: the richest
president in our history, a user and abuser who is richer than all
prior presidents combined, a man whose wealth was not built on
actual slavery like Washington’s, but close enough by treating
people like slaves without even the obligation to feed or house them.
The idealized Obama would have – might have – led the resistance to
President Trump. But then the idealized Obama might have led the
resistance to Obamacare in favor of single payer, might have led
the resistance to the Honduran military coup in favor of democracy,
might have led the resistance to Saudi genocide in Yemen in favor
of human rights. In 2009, President Obama said, “I did not run for
office to be helping out a bunch of fat cat bankers on Wall Street,”
although he managed to do as much. Obama’s campaign included the
notion that Wall Street fat cats should pay their fair share in
taxes. That hasn’t happened, but at least some of those cats are
paying a fair share to him.
And that’s all fine and good and ironic and amusing and unimportant.
What matters is what he does – and what Warren does, and what
Sanders does, and what the rest of our real and would-be leaders
do, where they stake their futures. Recently Obama spoke
reflectively [video] about his own
future: “What is the most important thing I can do for my next job,
and what I’m convinced of, is that although there are all kinds of
issues that I care about, and all kinds of issues that I intend to
work on, the single most important thing I can do is to help in any
way I can prepare the next generation of leadership to take up the
baton and take their own crack at changing the world.”
Really? The single most important thing is to kick the can down the
road?
When the house is on fire, the single most important thing is to
call an architect?
Just as the Bush presidency set the conditions for Obama to become
president, so did the Obama presidency set the conditions that have
produced President Trump. Obama entered the White House with the
wind at his back, with Democrats in the majority in Congress, with
the country ready for hope and change and serious leadership. The
result, eight years later, is not pretty. Maybe it’s not as bad as
it seems.
Or maybe it’s worse.
William M. Boardman has over 40 years experience in theatre, radio,
TV, print journalism, and non-fiction, including 20 years in the
Vermont judiciary. He has received honors from Writers Guild of
America, Corporation for Public Broadcasting, Vermont Life
magazine, and an Emmy Award nomination from the Academy of
Television Arts and Sciences.
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