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Ex-President of Honduras, Ousted in a Coup Supported by President Obama and
Hillary Clinton Speaks Out
By Amy Goodman [1] / Democracy Now! [2]
July 28, 2015
In Honduras, as many as 25,000 people marched Friday demanding the
resignation of Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernández. The protests come
six years after a coup ousted Hondurass democratically elected President
Manuel Zelaya. In an exclusive interview, Zelaya talks about the new protest
movement, the fallout from the 2009 coup, and Hillary Clintons role in his
ouster. "On the one hand, [the Obama administration] condemned the coup, but
on the other hand, they were negotiating with the leaders of the coup,"
Zelaya said. "And Secretary Clinton lent herself to that, maintaining that
ambiguity of U.S. policy to Honduras, which has resulted in a process of
distrust and instability of Latin American governments in relation to U.S.
foreign policies." While the United States publicly supported Zelayas
return to power, newly released emails show Clinton was attempting to set up
a back channel of communication with Roberto Micheletti, who was installed
as Honduran president after the coup. In one email, Clinton referenced
lobbyist and former President Clinton adviser Lanny Davis. She wrote, "Can
he help me talk w Micheletti?" At the time, Davis was working for the
Honduran chapter of the Business Council of Latin America, which supported
the coup. In another email, Thomas Shannon, the State Departments lead
negotiator for the Honduras talks, refers to Manuel Zelaya as a "failed"
leader.
Below is an interview with Zelaya, followed by a transcript:
AMY GOODMAN: This is Democracy Now!, democracynow.org. Im Amy Goodman. We
turn now to Honduras, where as many as 25,000 people marched Friday night to
demand the resignation of President Juan Orlando Hernández. Thousands
carried torches during the protest, which is the latest in a months-long
campaign to demand an independent investigation into a $200 million
government corruption scandal.
The protests come six years after a coup ousted Hondurass democratically
elected President Manuel Zelaya. At the time of the 2009 coup, Democratic
presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton was serving as U.S. secretary of state.
While the United States publicly supported Zelayas return to power, newly
released emails show Clinton was attempting to set up a back channel of
communication with Roberto Micheletti, who was installed as Honduras
president after the coup. In one email, Clinton referenced lobbyist and
former President Clinton adviser Lanny Davis. She wrote, quote, "Can he help
me talk w Micheletti?" At the time, Davis was working for the Honduran
chapter of the Business Council of Latin America, which supported the coup.
In another email, Thomas Shannon, the State Departments lead negotiator for
the Honduras talks, refers to Zelaya as a "failed" leader.
Well, Juan González and I recently interviewed Manuel Zelaya from a studio
in Tegucigalpa, Honduras. I began by asking him about Hillary Clintons role
in the 2009 coup.
MANUEL ZELAYA: [translated] I interacted with Secretary Clinton publicly on
several occasions, especially when she was here in Honduras in 2009, one
month before the coup détat, and sanctions against Cuba that the OAS had
imposed 40 years earlier were lifted. The decrees against Cuba were
repealed, and that was the beginning of getting rid of the blockade. It
began in Honduras. Secretary Clinton had many contacts with us. She is a
very capable woman, intelligent, but she is very weak in the face of
pressures from groups that hold power in the United States, the most
extremist right-wing sectors of the U.S. government, known as the hawks of
Washington. She bowed to those pressures. And that led U.S. policy to
Honduras to be ambiguous and mistaken.
On the one hand, they condemned the coup, but on the other hand, they were
negotiating with the leaders of the coup. And Secretary Clinton lent herself
to that, maintaining that ambiguity of U.S. policy toward Honduras, which
has resulted in a process of distrust and instability of Latin American
governments in relation to U.S. foreign policies.
AMY GOODMAN: Can you talk about whats happening in your country today? The
massive protests, unprecedented. Why are people in the streets?
MANUEL ZELAYA: [translated] Really, in summary, we can say that Honduras
today is a country without reconciliation and without justice. The
historical problems have worsened instead of being worked out. The United
States is supportingand this is a complainta repressive government, a
government that assaulted public funds for its own campaign. And the
president himself has now acknowledged it, that he used public funds that
were earmarked for the health of the elderly, pregnant women, children,
sacred funds; his party has used them for its election campaign.
His victory was seriously questioned, and even so, he has recognized this
crime, pressured, logically, by a journalist, David Romero, who published
the checks made out to his party and channeled directly to the president
himself in the political campaign. It appears that this was like a plot,
like a conspiracy, to pillage these funds, $300 or $400 millionno one has
the exact figure. But this has caused indignation in the people who are
taking to the streets for the first time in the history of Honduras, almost
200 years of wanting to be independent. They are taking to the streets to
ask the president to be accountable, to submit to an investigation and to
resign, as he himself has recognized the crime.
And this has brought about another position on the part of the Honduran
people, who are desperate: The people are calling for the involvement of the
international justice mechanisms in Honduras, specifically an International
Commission Against Impunity under the direction of the United Nations, which
has had good results in Guatemala.
JUAN GONZÁLEZ: President Zelaya, do you have no hope that the justice system
in Honduras itself can resolve these problems and bring charges against the
president, given that hes admitted the wrongdoing here?
MANUEL ZELAYA: [translated] Very good question. Justice in Honduras,
judicial officers, have lost all credibility since the coup détat and to
this day, first of all, because they are practically the same ones who
conspired to bring about the coup détat in the first place, in which I was
the first victim. In this sense, the justice system is totally manipulated
by the current president. A short time ago, he removed five members of the
Supreme Court and installed the persons he considered suitable for
maintaining his system of corruption in the country.
Similarly, he removed two, and in their place he put his friends, who,
logically, answer to his orders. He has created a military police force, and
we regret that the United States is supporting policies of repression of a
government that assaults the state, that the U.S. is recognizing it and
remains silent regarding this situation. He has created a police force for
himself, and he has changed all the countrys laws. Today, people can be
arrested, they can be taken to prison without respecting the presumption of
innocence, due process and, moreover, the guarantees enshrined in our
constitution. The justice system in Honduras, with very rare exception,
because there will always be honest judges and honest prosecutorswith those
rare exceptions, it is totally politicized. It is not impartial, but rather
acts with political sectarianism. It goes after the opposition. And it is
true that the president today is sacrificing key parts of his administration
to cover himself, so that he is not investigated. Its like a smokescreen.
AMY GOODMAN: Manuel Zelaya, you clearly see this as a continuation of the
coup that goes back six years, when you yourself were ousted. Can you
explain what happened in June of 2009, how you ended up being forced from
office?
MANUEL ZELAYA: [translated] Well, when the international right-wing
movementsbecause this is the conservative restoration of the right-wing
movements as of 2009, which was supported by the hawks in Washington, who
made the decision to use arms, to use forcethere was a coup attempt in
Ecuador, a coup détat in Paraguay, and the first one was the coup in
Honduras. This process, well, the same right-wing movements thought it was
going to improve the situation of our peoples, of our countries, to bolster
trade, industry, to improve the levels of poverty. And what has happened was
exactly the opposite. These coups détat have destroyed the scant
institutional framework that we had. The debt has grown. Our poverty has
grown. Corruption has grown. And crime and violence have expanded.
And the problem is that the United States doesnt want to hear these calls
of protest from our peoples who are our in the streets, just like the people
of Guatemala. Today, the people of Hondurasthis is not being directed by
anyone. There is no political party leading these citizen demonstrations.
Its spontaneous. This spontaneitywell, the State Department is deaf and
mute in response to the voice of protest, and I would like to draw attention
to this. The coup détat was a failure. And the policies of repression that
the United States is supporting in the current administration also provoke
indignation in the people in light of this reality. The people demand a
historic rectification of the international positions of the United States
vis-à-vis Honduras.
Recall the human trafficking, trafficking of children, trafficking of women
who go to the United States and pressure the U.S. borders, indeed bringing
pressure to bear on the stability of the United States, precisely because of
the failure of the policies here in Honduras. I could say the same of the
new initiative of President Obama, who is talking about $1 billion in
financing for the northern triangle, for Guatemala, El Salvador and
Honduras. I told the senator who visited last week, the chair of the Senate
Committee on Foreign Relations, I told him, "Senator, money alone is not
enough. Dollars alone wont do it. We need a government that respects the
rule of law. We need justice in Honduras. We need respect for a democracy in
our country, so that our people can have jobs, can generate wealth, can
attract national and international investors. We need juridicial security
and citizen security. One must be concerned, Senator, with the internal
legal situation in our countries."
JUAN GONZÁLEZ: And, President Zelaya, you mentioned the mothers and children
that have been fleeing across the border into the United States. And here,
we only hear in the media about the rise in crime and violence in Honduras.
What is yourthe government there failing to do about the flight of so many
people to the United States?
MANUEL ZELAYA: [translated] In this regard, measures of repression have been
adoptedthat is, closing the borders, militarizing the borders, preventing
persons from exercising their right to migrate. Because migrating is a
right. It is a human right. All of our countries emerged from migration, the
United States itself from European migration. Yet it must be regulated. It
must have a legal framework. Instead, you see soldiers simply stopping
children who are looking for their mothers in the United States, or young
people who are looking for a job, because this capitalist, neoliberal,
exclusionary and highly exploitive society doesnt offer them opportunities.
Recall that these societies are run by large transnational corporations:
large transnational banks, large transnational commercial concerns, large
transnational oil companies. These are governments of the transnationals.
Here, the state is very small, corrupt, and doesnt provide the people with
any responses. Rather, it creates problems for the neighboring states, at
the borders, such as we are seeing. The government today, rather, has
increased poverty and corruption, and has been unable to control the very
high levels of violence, due to the mistaken policies being implemented in
our countries.
JUAN GONZÁLEZ: Manuel Zelaya, youve talked about the movement of opposition
by the people in your country. Youve talked about what you would like the
United Nations to do to step in and to investigate the corruption there.
What would you like the United States and the Obama administration to do at
this moment in the crisis your country is facing?
MANUEL ZELAYA: [translated] Perhaps Honduras is not one of President Obamas
priorities, but events in Latin America should draw the attention of the
Democratic Party in the United States, which has President Obama at its
helm. He came into office in 2008, and the coups began, the attempts to
destabilize began. We recognize that President Obama has acknowledged the
blockade of Cuba as a 55-year-old genocide, that instead of isolating Cuba,
it had isolated the United States from Latin America. That was a very good
gesture for Latin America. But we dont accept him supporting policies such
as those that are unfolding in Honduras, those of a repressive government, a
government attacking public health institutions, attacks that have not been
investigated. And this is just the tip of the iceberg of corruptionsocial
security; the funds of the National Congress that have not been
investigated; the funds of the Ministry of Finance and the presidency that
have not been investigated; everything that they used for their election
campaign to stage a fraud and defeat Xiomara Castro, who was the favorite in
opinion polls, and on election day things came out the other way around
because of the fraud they perpetrated.
President Obama has not wanted to hear our peoples. He has turned a deaf ear
on the cry of the people. First we protested in the opposition. A few months
ago, they physically removed me from the Congress, the National Congress,
because our party mounted a peaceful protest. The military removed us, using
tear gas in the Congress. They expelled us, beating us with batons, beating
us into the street. This is the government that President Obama supports, a
government that is repressive, a government that violates human rights, as
has been shown by the very Inter-American Commission on Human Rights of the
Organization of American States. It has shown this to be the case.
AMY GOODMAN: Ousted Honduran President Manuel Zelaya. To see the whole
interview, go to democracynow.org. Special thanks to Charlie Roberts, Steve
Martinez, Mike Burke and our Spanish team, Igor Moreno, Clara Ibarra and
Andrés Conteris.
Amy Goodman is the host of Democracy Now! [3] and the co-author of The
Silenced Majority [4].
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Ex-President of Honduras, Ousted in a Coup Supported by President Obama and
Hillary Clinton Speaks Out
By Amy Goodman [1] / Democracy Now! [2]
July 28, 2015
In Honduras, as many as 25,000 people marched Friday demanding the
resignation of Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernández. The protests come
six years after a coup ousted Hondurass democratically elected President
Manuel Zelaya. In an exclusive interview, Zelaya talks about the new protest
movement, the fallout from the 2009 coup, and Hillary Clintons role in his
ouster. "On the one hand, [the Obama administration] condemned the coup, but
on the other hand, they were negotiating with the leaders of the coup,"
Zelaya said. "And Secretary Clinton lent herself to that, maintaining that
ambiguity of U.S. policy to Honduras, which has resulted in a process of
distrust and instability of Latin American governments in relation to U.S.
foreign policies." While the United States publicly supported Zelayas
return to power, newly released emails show Clinton was attempting to set up
a back channel of communication with Roberto Micheletti, who was installed
as Honduran president after the coup. In one email, Clinton referenced
lobbyist and former President Clinton adviser Lanny Davis. She wrote, "Can
he help me talk w Micheletti?" At the time, Davis was working for the
Honduran chapter of the Business Council of Latin America, which supported
the coup. In another email, Thomas Shannon, the State Departments lead
negotiator for the Honduras talks, refers to Manuel Zelaya as a "failed"
leader.
Below is an interview with Zelaya, followed by a transcript:
AMY GOODMAN: This is Democracy Now!, democracynow.org. Im Amy Goodman. We
turn now to Honduras, where as many as 25,000 people marched Friday night to
demand the resignation of President Juan Orlando Hernández. Thousands
carried torches during the protest, which is the latest in a months-long
campaign to demand an independent investigation into a $200 million
government corruption scandal.
The protests come six years after a coup ousted Hondurass democratically
elected President Manuel Zelaya. At the time of the 2009 coup, Democratic
presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton was serving as U.S. secretary of state.
While the United States publicly supported Zelayas return to power, newly
released emails show Clinton was attempting to set up a back channel of
communication with Roberto Micheletti, who was installed as Honduras
president after the coup. In one email, Clinton referenced lobbyist and
former President Clinton adviser Lanny Davis. She wrote, quote, "Can he help
me talk w Micheletti?" At the time, Davis was working for the Honduran
chapter of the Business Council of Latin America, which supported the coup.
In another email, Thomas Shannon, the State Departments lead negotiator for
the Honduras talks, refers to Zelaya as a "failed" leader.
Well, Juan González and I recently interviewed Manuel Zelaya from a studio
in Tegucigalpa, Honduras. I began by asking him about Hillary Clintons role
in the 2009 coup.
MANUEL ZELAYA: [translated] I interacted with Secretary Clinton publicly on
several occasions, especially when she was here in Honduras in 2009, one
month before the coup détat, and sanctions against Cuba that the OAS had
imposed 40 years earlier were lifted. The decrees against Cuba were
repealed, and that was the beginning of getting rid of the blockade. It
began in Honduras. Secretary Clinton had many contacts with us. She is a
very capable woman, intelligent, but she is very weak in the face of
pressures from groups that hold power in the United States, the most
extremist right-wing sectors of the U.S. government, known as the hawks of
Washington. She bowed to those pressures. And that led U.S. policy to
Honduras to be ambiguous and mistaken.
On the one hand, they condemned the coup, but on the other hand, they were
negotiating with the leaders of the coup. And Secretary Clinton lent herself
to that, maintaining that ambiguity of U.S. policy toward Honduras, which
has resulted in a process of distrust and instability of Latin American
governments in relation to U.S. foreign policies.
AMY GOODMAN: Can you talk about whats happening in your country today? The
massive protests, unprecedented. Why are people in the streets?
MANUEL ZELAYA: [translated] Really, in summary, we can say that Honduras
today is a country without reconciliation and without justice. The
historical problems have worsened instead of being worked out. The United
States is supportingand this is a complainta repressive government, a
government that assaulted public funds for its own campaign. And the
president himself has now acknowledged it, that he used public funds that
were earmarked for the health of the elderly, pregnant women, children,
sacred funds; his party has used them for its election campaign.
His victory was seriously questioned, and even so, he has recognized this
crime, pressured, logically, by a journalist, David Romero, who published
the checks made out to his party and channeled directly to the president
himself in the political campaign. It appears that this was like a plot,
like a conspiracy, to pillage these funds, $300 or $400 millionno one has
the exact figure. But this has caused indignation in the people who are
taking to the streets for the first time in the history of Honduras, almost
200 years of wanting to be independent. They are taking to the streets to
ask the president to be accountable, to submit to an investigation and to
resign, as he himself has recognized the crime.
And this has brought about another position on the part of the Honduran
people, who are desperate: The people are calling for the involvement of the
international justice mechanisms in Honduras, specifically an International
Commission Against Impunity under the direction of the United Nations, which
has had good results in Guatemala.
JUAN GONZÁLEZ: President Zelaya, do you have no hope that the justice system
in Honduras itself can resolve these problems and bring charges against the
president, given that hes admitted the wrongdoing here?
MANUEL ZELAYA: [translated] Very good question. Justice in Honduras,
judicial officers, have lost all credibility since the coup détat and to
this day, first of all, because they are practically the same ones who
conspired to bring about the coup détat in the first place, in which I was
the first victim. In this sense, the justice system is totally manipulated
by the current president. A short time ago, he removed five members of the
Supreme Court and installed the persons he considered suitable for
maintaining his system of corruption in the country.
Similarly, he removed two, and in their place he put his friends, who,
logically, answer to his orders. He has created a military police force, and
we regret that the United States is supporting policies of repression of a
government that assaults the state, that the U.S. is recognizing it and
remains silent regarding this situation. He has created a police force for
himself, and he has changed all the countrys laws. Today, people can be
arrested, they can be taken to prison without respecting the presumption of
innocence, due process and, moreover, the guarantees enshrined in our
constitution. The justice system in Honduras, with very rare exception,
because there will always be honest judges and honest prosecutorswith those
rare exceptions, it is totally politicized. It is not impartial, but rather
acts with political sectarianism. It goes after the opposition. And it is
true that the president today is sacrificing key parts of his administration
to cover himself, so that he is not investigated. Its like a smokescreen.
AMY GOODMAN: Manuel Zelaya, you clearly see this as a continuation of the
coup that goes back six years, when you yourself were ousted. Can you
explain what happened in June of 2009, how you ended up being forced from
office?
MANUEL ZELAYA: [translated] Well, when the international right-wing
movementsbecause this is the conservative restoration of the right-wing
movements as of 2009, which was supported by the hawks in Washington, who
made the decision to use arms, to use forcethere was a coup attempt in
Ecuador, a coup détat in Paraguay, and the first one was the coup in
Honduras. This process, well, the same right-wing movements thought it was
going to improve the situation of our peoples, of our countries, to bolster
trade, industry, to improve the levels of poverty. And what has happened was
exactly the opposite. These coups détat have destroyed the scant
institutional framework that we had. The debt has grown. Our poverty has
grown. Corruption has grown. And crime and violence have expanded.
And the problem is that the United States doesnt want to hear these calls
of protest from our peoples who are our in the streets, just like the people
of Guatemala. Today, the people of Hondurasthis is not being directed by
anyone. There is no political party leading these citizen demonstrations.
Its spontaneous. This spontaneitywell, the State Department is deaf and
mute in response to the voice of protest, and I would like to draw attention
to this. The coup détat was a failure. And the policies of repression that
the United States is supporting in the current administration also provoke
indignation in the people in light of this reality. The people demand a
historic rectification of the international positions of the United States
vis-à-vis Honduras.
Recall the human trafficking, trafficking of children, trafficking of women
who go to the United States and pressure the U.S. borders, indeed bringing
pressure to bear on the stability of the United States, precisely because of
the failure of the policies here in Honduras. I could say the same of the
new initiative of President Obama, who is talking about $1 billion in
financing for the northern triangle, for Guatemala, El Salvador and
Honduras. I told the senator who visited last week, the chair of the Senate
Committee on Foreign Relations, I told him, "Senator, money alone is not
enough. Dollars alone wont do it. We need a government that respects the
rule of law. We need justice in Honduras. We need respect for a democracy in
our country, so that our people can have jobs, can generate wealth, can
attract national and international investors. We need juridicial security
and citizen security. One must be concerned, Senator, with the internal
legal situation in our countries."
JUAN GONZÁLEZ: And, President Zelaya, you mentioned the mothers and children
that have been fleeing across the border into the United States. And here,
we only hear in the media about the rise in crime and violence in Honduras.
What is yourthe government there failing to do about the flight of so many
people to the United States?
MANUEL ZELAYA: [translated] In this regard, measures of repression have been
adoptedthat is, closing the borders, militarizing the borders, preventing
persons from exercising their right to migrate. Because migrating is a
right. It is a human right. All of our countries emerged from migration, the
United States itself from European migration. Yet it must be regulated. It
must have a legal framework. Instead, you see soldiers simply stopping
children who are looking for their mothers in the United States, or young
people who are looking for a job, because this capitalist, neoliberal,
exclusionary and highly exploitive society doesnt offer them opportunities.
Recall that these societies are run by large transnational corporations:
large transnational banks, large transnational commercial concerns, large
transnational oil companies. These are governments of the transnationals.
Here, the state is very small, corrupt, and doesnt provide the people with
any responses. Rather, it creates problems for the neighboring states, at
the borders, such as we are seeing. The government today, rather, has
increased poverty and corruption, and has been unable to control the very
high levels of violence, due to the mistaken policies being implemented in
our countries.
JUAN GONZÁLEZ: Manuel Zelaya, youve talked about the movement of opposition
by the people in your country. Youve talked about what you would like the
United Nations to do to step in and to investigate the corruption there.
What would you like the United States and the Obama administration to do at
this moment in the crisis your country is facing?
MANUEL ZELAYA: [translated] Perhaps Honduras is not one of President Obamas
priorities, but events in Latin America should draw the attention of the
Democratic Party in the United States, which has President Obama at its
helm. He came into office in 2008, and the coups began, the attempts to
destabilize began. We recognize that President Obama has acknowledged the
blockade of Cuba as a 55-year-old genocide, that instead of isolating Cuba,
it had isolated the United States from Latin America. That was a very good
gesture for Latin America. But we dont accept him supporting policies such
as those that are unfolding in Honduras, those of a repressive government, a
government attacking public health institutions, attacks that have not been
investigated. And this is just the tip of the iceberg of corruptionsocial
security; the funds of the National Congress that have not been
investigated; the funds of the Ministry of Finance and the presidency that
have not been investigated; everything that they used for their election
campaign to stage a fraud and defeat Xiomara Castro, who was the favorite in
opinion polls, and on election day things came out the other way around
because of the fraud they perpetrated.
President Obama has not wanted to hear our peoples. He has turned a deaf ear
on the cry of the people. First we protested in the opposition. A few months
ago, they physically removed me from the Congress, the National Congress,
because our party mounted a peaceful protest. The military removed us, using
tear gas in the Congress. They expelled us, beating us with batons, beating
us into the street. This is the government that President Obama supports, a
government that is repressive, a government that violates human rights, as
has been shown by the very Inter-American Commission on Human Rights of the
Organization of American States. It has shown this to be the case.
AMY GOODMAN: Ousted Honduran President Manuel Zelaya. To see the whole
interview, go to democracynow.org. Special thanks to Charlie Roberts, Steve
Martinez, Mike Burke and our Spanish team, Igor Moreno, Clara Ibarra and
Andrés Conteris.
Amy Goodman is the host of Democracy Now! [3] and the co-author of The
Silenced Majority [4].
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