I was only kidding, musing,
On Jan 8, 2016, at 12:57 PM, joe harcz Comcast <joeharcz@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I have a few things to say about Michael Morre's statements here. And I say
them not lightly either for I've known Moore since the seventies though we
haven't personally been in contact sicn then and I really admire him as a
muckraker, amonst other things. I really do.
But, often he sshoots from the hip (as I do too btw). And some of his facts
are simply wrong.
For example the issue here isn't the water quality in the Flint River as he
suggests though there are different issues with that too.
The lead didn't come from the water itself, but rather from the cocorrisive
eeffects of the water on existingplumbing because the water has a relatively
higher saline aspect thand is colder than the old Detroit water system that
came from Lake Huron.
The totally tragic thing about the Penny pinching" Snyder Administration is
that the city could have switched to the current system while awaiting the
new pipeline being developed from a direct route to lake Huron and using the
Flint river as an interim step if only they would have spent about $100 per
day on anti-corrosive phosphates which would have again prevented the
corrosion and the leaching of lead in to home and other drinking water
sources. $100 per day!
The City of Lansing uses a similar system without issues and spends about
$3000 per day.
Regardless, this issue to the side and in the interest of accuracy I must say
that this goes to the issue of jobs and infrastructure as well as issues of
environmental quality.
It is not only Flint's aging infrastructure that is crumbling, but most if
not aall of America's infrastructure.
And there are, or could be lots of good paying jobs developed for all and
increased ququality of life if we would invest in that rather in to weapons
of war or insane profits for sspeculators.
Now, as to Micael Moore running for such an office I wouldn't like it one bit
and don't think him qualified. BTW I'm not qualified either and this doesn't
detract from Moore's value to all of us. On the contrary we all have a role,
and imo his, and indeed my role, are in being watchdogs, tribunes and
whistelblowers, not in being bureaucrats, technocrats or other such beings
which also can have their place in society if you catch my drift.
Again I love Michael Moore to death and value his wit, wisdom and commentary
highly.
It is very significant.
But, I don't wish for him to actually repair the plumbing either literally or
figuratively/politically.
----- Original Message -----
From: Alice Dampman Humel
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 12:15 PM
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Dear Gov. Snyder: You Have to Go to Jail
anybody ever wonder what would happen if Michael Moore ran for president?
How about a Sanders/Moore ticket?
On Jan 7, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Moore writes: "You have effectively poisoned, not just some, but apparently
ALL of the children in my hometown of Flint, Michigan. And for that, you
have to go to jail."
Filmmaker Michael Moore. (photo: Nicolas Genin)
Dear Gov. Snyder: You Have to Go to Jail
By Michael Moore, Michael Moore's Facebook Page
07 January 16
Dear Governor Snyder:
Thanks to you, sir, and the premeditated actions of your administrators, you
have effectively poisoned, not just some, but apparently ALL of the children
in my hometown of Flint, Michigan.
And for that, you have to go to jail.
To poison all the children in an historic American city is no small feat.
Even international terrorist organizations haven't figured out yet how to do
something on a magnitude like this.
But you did. Your staff and others knew that the water in the Flint River
was poison -- but you decided that taking over the city and "cutting costs"
to "balance the budget" was more important than the people's health (not to
mention their democratic rights to elect their own leaders.) So you cut off
the clean, fresh glacial lake water of Lake Huron that the citizens of Flint
(including myself) had been drinking for decades and, instead, made them
drink water from the industrial cesspool we call the Flint River -- a body
of "water" where toxins from a dozen General Motors and DuPont factories
have been dumped for over a hundred years. And then you decided to put a
chemical in this water to "clean" it -- which only ended up stripping the
lead off of Flint's aging water pipes, placing that lead in the water and
sending it straight into people's taps. Your callous -- and reckless (btw,
"reckless" doesn't get you a pass; a reckless driver who kills a child,
still goes to jail) -- decision to do this has now, as revealed by the
city's top medical facility, caused "irreversible brain damage" in Flint's
children, not to mention other bodily damage to all of Flint's adults.
Here's how bad it is: Even GM won't let the auto parts they use in building
cars touch the Flint water because that water "corrodes" them. This is a
company that won't even fix an ignition switch after they've discovered it's
already killed dozens of people. THAT's how bad the situation is. Even GM
thinks you're the devil.
Maybe you don't understand the science behind this. Lead, in water -- now,
bear with me, this involves a science lesson and you belong to the
anti-science party, the one that believes there's not a climate problem and
that Adam and Eve rode on dinosaurs 6,000 years ago. Lead is toxic to the
human body. There's no way to fully eliminate it once it's in your system,
and children are the most damaged by it.
By taking away the city's clean drinking water in order to "cut costs," and
then switching the city's water supply to Flint River water, you have
allowed massively unsafe levels of pollutants and lead into the water that
travels in to everyone's home. Every Flint resident is trapped by this
environmental nightmare which you, Governor, have created.
Like any real criminal, when you were confronted with the truth (by the EPA
and other leading water experts across America), you denied what you did.
Even worse, you decided to mock your accusers and their findings. As I said,
I know you don't like to believe in a lot of science (after all, you used to
run Gateway Computers, and that, really, is all anyone needs to know about
you), but this time the science has caught up with you -- and this time, I
hope, it's going to convict you.
The facts are all there, Mr. Snyder. Every agency involved in this scheme
reported directly to you. The children of Flint didn't have a choice as to
whether or not they were going to get to drink clean water. But soon it will
be your turn to not have that choice about which water you'll be drinking.
Because by this time next year, if there is an ounce of justice left in this
land, the water you'll be drinking will be served to you from a tap inside
Jackson Prison.
I am calling upon my fellow Michiganders -- and seekers of justice
everywhere -- to petition U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch, asking her to
arrest you for corruption and assault (i.e., the physical assault you
committed against the children of Flint when you knowingly poisoned them).
Yesterday, the federal prosecutor in Flint, after many of us had called for
months for this action, finally opened up an investigation into the matter.
Now we need your arrest, prosecution and conviction.
And who will be cheering on that day when you are fitted with a bright
orange jumpsuit? The poor and minority communities of Michigan who've
endured your dictatorial firing of their mayors and school boards so you
could place your business friends in charge of their mostly-black cities.
They know you never would have done this to a wealthy white suburb.
I welcome all to look at the appalling facts of this case, which have been
reported brilliantly here, here, and especially here by the great Rachel
Maddow. Thank you, Rachel, for caring so deeply when the rest of the
national television media didn't.
I'm asking everyone who agrees with me to sign on to this petition and call
for your arrest, Governor Snyder. You are not allowed to run amok in my
hometown like you have done. The children whom you have poisoned have to
endure a life of pain and lower IQs from your actions. You have destroyed a
generation of children -- and for that, you must pay.
It is time for you to go to prison. Out of mercy, I'll ask that you have in
your cell your own personal Gateway computer.
Sincerely,
Michael Moore
Flint native
Michigan resident and voter
P.S. For everyone wanting to sign on to this petition calling for the
IMMEDIATE resignation of Governor Snyder AND for the FBI to arrest him,
please sign the petition petition here:
http://michaelmoore.com/ArrestGovSnyder
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Filmmaker Michael Moore. (photo: Nicolas Genin)
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Dear Gov. Snyder: You Have to Go to Jail
By Michael Moore, Michael Moore's Facebook Page
07 January 16
ear Governor Snyder:
Thanks to you, sir, and the premeditated actions of your administrators, you
have effectively poisoned, not just some, but apparently ALL of the children
in my hometown of Flint, Michigan.
And for that, you have to go to jail.
To poison all the children in an historic American city is no small feat.
Even international terrorist organizations haven't figured out yet how to do
something on a magnitude like this.
But you did. Your staff and others knew that the water in the Flint River
was poison -- but you decided that taking over the city and "cutting costs"
to "balance the budget" was more important than the people's health (not to
mention their democratic rights to elect their own leaders.) So you cut off
the clean, fresh glacial lake water of Lake Huron that the citizens of Flint
(including myself) had been drinking for decades and, instead, made them
drink water from the industrial cesspool we call the Flint River -- a body
of "water" where toxins from a dozen General Motors and DuPont factories
have been dumped for over a hundred years. And then you decided to put a
chemical in this water to "clean" it -- which only ended up stripping the
lead off of Flint's aging water pipes, placing that lead in the water and
sending it straight into people's taps. Your callous -- and reckless (btw,
"reckless" doesn't get you a pass; a reckless driver who kills a child,
still goes to jail) -- decision to do this has now, as revealed by the
city's top medical facility, caused "irreversible brain damage" in Flint's
children, not to mention other bodily damage to all of Flint's adults.
Here's how bad it is: Even GM won't let the auto parts they use in building
cars touch the Flint water because that water "corrodes" them. This is a
company that won't even fix an ignition switch after they've discovered it's
already killed dozens of people. THAT's how bad the situation is. Even GM
thinks you're the devil.
Maybe you don't understand the science behind this. Lead, in water -- now,
bear with me, this involves a science lesson and you belong to the
anti-science party, the one that believes there's not a climate problem and
that Adam and Eve rode on dinosaurs 6,000 years ago. Lead is toxic to the
human body. There's no way to fully eliminate it once it's in your system,
and children are the most damaged by it.
By taking away the city's clean drinking water in order to "cut costs," and
then switching the city's water supply to Flint River water, you have
allowed massively unsafe levels of pollutants and lead into the water that
travels in to everyone's home. Every Flint resident is trapped by this
environmental nightmare which you, Governor, have created.
Like any real criminal, when you were confronted with the truth (by the EPA
and other leading water experts across America), you denied what you did.
Even worse, you decided to mock your accusers and their findings. As I said,
I know you don't like to believe in a lot of science (after all, you used to
run Gateway Computers, and that, really, is all anyone needs to know about
you), but this time the science has caught up with you -- and this time, I
hope, it's going to convict you.
The facts are all there, Mr. Snyder. Every agency involved in this scheme
reported directly to you. The children of Flint didn't have a choice as to
whether or not they were going to get to drink clean water. But soon it will
be your turn to not have that choice about which water you'll be drinking.
Because by this time next year, if there is an ounce of justice left in this
land, the water you'll be drinking will be served to you from a tap inside
Jackson Prison.
I am calling upon my fellow Michiganders -- and seekers of justice
everywhere -- to petition U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch, asking her to
arrest you for corruption and assault (i.e., the physical assault you
committed against the children of Flint when you knowingly poisoned them).
Yesterday, the federal prosecutor in Flint, after many of us had called for
months for this action, finally opened up an investigation into the matter.
Now we need your arrest, prosecution and conviction.
And who will be cheering on that day when you are fitted with a bright
orange jumpsuit? The poor and minority communities of Michigan who've
endured your dictatorial firing of their mayors and school boards so you
could place your business friends in charge of their mostly-black cities.
They know you never would have done this to a wealthy white suburb.
I welcome all to look at the appalling facts of this case, which have been
reported brilliantly here, here, and especially here by the great Rachel
Maddow. Thank you, Rachel, for caring so deeply when the rest of the
national television media didn't.
I'm asking everyone who agrees with me to sign on to this petition and call
for your arrest, Governor Snyder. You are not allowed to run amok in my
hometown like you have done. The children whom you have poisoned have to
endure a life of pain and lower IQs from your actions. You have destroyed a
generation of children -- and for that, you must pay.
It is time for you to go to prison. Out of mercy, I'll ask that you have in
your cell your own personal Gateway computer.
Sincerely,
Michael Moore
Flint native
Michigan resident and voter
P.S. For everyone wanting to sign on to this petition calling for the
IMMEDIATE resignation of Governor Snyder AND for the FBI to arrest him,
please sign the petition petition here:
http://michaelmoore.com/ArrestGovSnyder
http://e-max.it/posizionamento-siti-web/socialize
http://e-max.it/posizionamento-siti-web/socialize
