I'm very well aware that guide dogs are not for everyone. I totally respect
that. I actually have some friends that are cane users and have no interest in
a guide dog. ut for me, I prefer them personally. My cane gets stuck in
every nook and cranny plus finds every single obthere is. So I prefer the
smoothness of a guide dog over a cane.
Angela Palmer and Geb Rajah l
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On Feb 28, 2021, at 6:46 PM, Rob Kaiser <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Wow, 4 German shepphards. You know, there is something about the instinct of
a shepphard. You probably know that the German shepphard was the 1st guide
dog. Labs are great, but there’s nothing like a German Shepphard. I think the
Guide Dogs of the Desert are training poodles.
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[mailto:blind-chatroom-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Angela Palmer
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 6:39 PM
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Subject: [blind-chatroom] Re: Is aguide dog for everyone?
Hi all,
I've had 5 guide dogs and have not regretted any of them. I can travel much
quicker with a dog vesus a cane. I can't just put my dog in a corner and
forget about him or her. I've had 1 golden retiever and 4 german shepards.
I wouldn't change it for anything. I like the companionship of a guide dog.
Angela Palmer
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On Feb 28, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Les Fitzpatrick <lfitz50@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I don’t in any way regret my attempt at a guide dog, matter of fact it was
great having a friend walk with you every day but the cane just works for me
better. I actually wish I had gotten him fifteen or twenty years ago, then I
think it would have been a great match.
Les fitzpatrickPiano Technician
Ham call K5FPT
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<blind-chatroom-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 8:42 AM
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Subject: [blind-chatroom] Re: Is aguide dog for everyone?
Maria, it sounds like your decision is based on fear, anticipating what may
or may not happen. Mind yI don’t in any ou I’ve also chatted with people who
got a guide dog as an ice breaker to meet people. In one case, the man
admitted he just got one to meet the opposite sex. A older woman had trouble
meeting or interacting with people so too, got a guide dog. Both dog and
cane have there merits.
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Sent: February 27, 2021 11:24 PM
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Subject: [blind-chatroom] Re: Is aguide dog for everyone?
yeah my family wants me to get a guide dog but I don't see that happening for
me. I really don't want to have to get denied from Ubers and stuff like that.
Plus I'm pretty good with my cane.
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On Feb 27, 2021, at 7:47 PM, David Diamond <david@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
On a tech group the topic morphed into cane travel VS guide dog travel. It
got quite heated thus, I always couch my words. Yes, a guide dog is not for
everyone and we should never impose our opinion on anyone. We can give
advice of the pluses and minuses to both situations. However, ultimately it
is an individual decision. You never need to take your cane out to go to the
bathroom and no one will ever say they are allergic to canes. Well, some nut
may just to get attention. I got somewhat frustrated with someone and told
them, “I used to be allergic to relationships but I got over it!” I know,
not very sympathetic however, it has been proven that if someone says they
are afraid of dogs, they don’t get as much of a listening audience, as they
would if they say they are allergic to dogs. Here’s something I was told and
may get some boiling. To take something for an allergic reaction causes side
affects, so some take nothing for their allergies. My rebuttal? Well, at
least you can take something for your allergies, we can take nothing for our
blindness.
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<blind-chatroom-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Les Fitzpatrick
Sent: February 27, 2021 10:27 AM
To: blind-chatroom@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-chatroom] Re: Is aguide dog for everyone?
I’m not in any way opposed to guide dogs matter of fact I think they are
wonderful, but I am a verry good cane traveler and the dog just didn’t work
for me at all, but I have a friend who is also a very good cane traveler and
when he was 71 he decided to go and get a dog and the dog is working for him
just fine and he is doing well with the dog.
Les fitzpatrickPiano Technician
Ham call K5FPT
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Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2021 8:26 AM
To: blind-chatroom@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-chatroom] Re: Is aguide dog for everyone?
The one thing I don’t want to do is start a debate on which is better cane
traveling or using a guide dog. It is a personal decision. I’ve done both
and can go faster with a guide dog. Faster meaning moving faster because I
don’t have to worry about running into poles, garbage cans or human
obstacles. For the longest time I did not even use a mobility cane, mainly
because I was given a I D cane instead of a mobility cane, thus found using a
cane useless. I got the correct cane and because literarily women were
cutting in front of me and giving me dirty looks according to a sighted
person. I was encouraged to get a cane. Did it stop them from cutting in
front of me? No, but it made them look stupid when they gave me dirty looks.
Yes, some have almost tripped over my guide dog and one even pushed him out
of her way because she was in a hurry. I got my first guide dog in 06, and
would not change anything. Now, having said all of this. Over the years
there was one person who I would not give a guide dog too. He admitted to
crossing the street where ever he felt like and if a car got in his way, he’d
pound their hood or bonnet, depending on where you live, with his cane. There
was another yahoo who did the same with his guide dog. He either hoped or
felt people would stop. Eventually because of his actions he got killed by a
vehicle. Of all places to practice this activity, New York I would suggest
is the worst. As a side note, why he was ever given a guide dog by the
school, is a mystery. People don’t just suddenly develop bad habits. In
this case he was a senior citizen so should have known better. We all make
choices in life and have to live with them. Where I draw the line is when
they endanger another person or animal because of their actions.
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Sent: February 27, 2021 1:17 AM
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Subject: [blind-chatroom] Re: wondered why I never heard from this group.
Hi friends, my name is Lielle, and I am new here. I have a guide dog for 2
years and very happy with her. Her name is Fiona, and she's Labrador, she's a
big dog and i love to walk with her, she walk fast and I love that4
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ב-27 בפבר׳ 2021, בשעה 9:46, Joshua Hendrickson <louvins@xxxxxxxxx> כתב/ה:
I really like dogs, we have two dogs in our family. I'd never get a
guide dog, because I don't have very good mobility skills. My dog
would have nothing to do if I did get one. However, I did visit the
Seeing Eye in New Jersey and that was very cool. It was very
different when I was with an instructor and he took my cane after
first walking a route. Then walking that same route with the dog. My
dog did walk rather fast. I'm glad I had the experience even to just
have walked a little with a guide dog.
On 2/27/21, Les Fitzpatrick <lfitz50@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
My dog took me off the drop off it was about 3 feet. Fortunately I didn’t
hurt myself. He is no longer a guide dog but the puppy raiser’s pet because
they tried him with another person and that didn’t work either and he was so
stressed being a guide that it was effecting his health.
Les fitzpatrickPiano Technician
Ham call K5FPT
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<blind-chatroom-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 6:29 PM
To: blind-chatroom@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-chatroom] Re: wondered why I never heard from this group.
I remember when I was working with a bearded collie in an off leash park.
He had to be muzzled and leashed at all times. He was leash guiding me. I
gave him the forward command and he wouldn’t move. To make a long story
short, if I went forward I would have encountered a 15 foot drop. It is
difficult at times to trust a dog if you are used to using a white cane. I
also feel at times schools cut corners in training and hope the student does
not know it or care. They are so grateful to get a dog from the school and
in some ways, the schools promote that idea. BTW, that same Collie when I
strayed off the trail full of snow, gently guided me back on the trail,
nudging me to the right or gently pushing me to the left. It was ever so
subtle.
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<mailto:blind-chatroom-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > On Behalf Of Les Fitzpatrick
Sent: February 26, 2021 4:33 PM
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Subject: [blind-chatroom] Re: wondered why I never heard from this group.
I used a white cane for 50 plus years and I just couldn’t get to the place
where I could trust him fully, and then he was bad about taking me where
there were steep drop offs and running me into stuff, so that didn’t help.
Les fitzpatrickPiano Technician
Ham call K5FPT
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<mailto:blind-chatroom-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > On Behalf Of David Diamond
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Subject: [blind-chatroom] Re: wondered why I never heard from this group.
Just curious, why do you not have a guide dog anymore? The person who taught
me something about computers and helped me build my website had a guide dog
for about a year then gave him back. The dog became aggressive. The person
that had the guide dog admitted that the dog would creep up to the curbs
and the human like to race up to them and also the human was not a dog
person. Others had a mismatch, the dog walked fast and the human did not,
the dog walked slow and the human walked fast. Although with my current
guide dog, he walked slow then gladly sped up to keep up to my pace. I like
to say the shackles were removed from him and he could go the speed he
wanted, dancing around things rather then creeping around them. Of course,
he matched my speed he does not race, just does not have the speed where
snails were passing him. LOL.
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<blind-chatroom-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:blind-chatroom-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > On Behalf Of Les Fitzpatrick
Sent: February 26, 2021 3:28 PM
To: blind-chatroom@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:blind-chatroom@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-chatroom] Re: wondered why I never heard from this group.
I have a piano tuning and repair business. I go all over Vancouver wa. And
Portland Oregon area and tune and repair pianos I love this business because
I can make a lot of people happy and make there instruments sound good. I
have a wife and no other pets, although I did have a guide dog for a couple
of months and I loved him and I am an amateur radio operator and I play a 5
string bass guitar, and I love working on things. I used to work on cars but
I’m getting to old to do that any more. I also have 4 children six grand
children and one great grand child.
Les fitzpatrickPiano Technician
Ham call K5FPT
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<mailto:blind-chatroom-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 7:04 AM
To: blind-chatroom@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:blind-chatroom@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-chatroom] Re: wondered why I never heard from this group.
Well, I have a guide dog and a dog day care/boarding business. We board
dogs and day care them as well as ahave off leash dog runs on mountain
trails. To post things like that could be perceived as advertising. So I
only post those stories about what happened on the trails with my guide and
other dogs on the unofficial group for the school where I got him. Also
when posting to other guide dog groups, they too are quiet. Thus I don’t
post often.
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Sent: February 25, 2021 10:12 PM
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Subject: [blind-chatroom] Re: wondered why I never heard from this group.
plus nobody posts in here except me when I get the latest from Top Tech
Tidbits on Thursdays.I need more people on here!
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On Feb 26, 2021, at 1:07 AM, David Diamond <david@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:david@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
I just checked my junk folder on another matter and all messages to this
group since I joined went into my junk folder. I’ve since remedied that I
hope.
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