[bksvol-discuss] text and page boundaries?
- From: Grandma Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 15:35:06 -0700 (PDT)
Are there rules re text and page boundaries? Recently
Gerald posted that one could lengthen the page as
necessary, which I just figured out how to do. Before
that I would shorten side margins and on extremely
rare occasions I moved a sentence to the next page
just to make the page end where it was supposed to.
And I've gone from skipping lines between paragraphs
to indenting to get the text to fit onto the page
properly. Also, I didn't know that any particular font
type or size was preferable, except that people have
said that any font larger than 36 doesn't work with
Braille (or was it Daisy, or both?)
Cindy R
--- Elizabeth and Burton <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> I find it interesting that John Glass, in his role
> as laison between staff
> and volunteers, has apparently not posted anything
> regarding text and page
> boundaries. Does this mean P. speaks for staff in
> this decision? If you
> do, that is fine. I am puzzled and so am asking.
>
> E.
>
>
> At 03:04 AM 10/3/2006, you wrote:
>
> >Hello,
> >
> >If memory serves, Bookshare has provided no
> guidance on this
> >matter. There is, of course, the possibility that
> I am forgetting and you
> >are correct. My point about citations still
> remains. And, for that
> >reason, I would still not move sentences around.
> Broken words, I
> >understand, sentences, no. Irrespective of my
> example actually appearing
> >at the beginning of the book�I only gave it
because
> I recalled the
> >sentence�my point still stands. Elizabeth, can
you
> cite the specific
> >Bookshare ruling on this?
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
> >Pratik
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>[<mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>
> >On Behalf Of Elizabeth and Burton
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 2:34 AM
> >To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: words split across
> pages
> >
> >Cindy is giving one of a series of examples I can
> use to illustrate my
> >point. The point is particularly relevant when
> dealing with footnotes at
> >the bottom of pages. I have kept all the files in
> which I have made such
> >changes, yes kept all of them. I can go back and
> cite examples. Thanks so
> >much for official feedback P. and others.
> >
> >E.
> >At 02:13 AM 10/3/2006, you wrote:
> >
> > >Smile. Pratik, I think you gave a poor
> > >example--smile. What people seem to be saying,
> and I
> > >didn't think was allowed, was ending the page
> with a
> > >complete sentence rather than allowing it to be
> broken
> > >and continue on the next page.
> > >
> > >As it happens, you quote what, if I remember
> > >correctly, is the first sentence in the novel.
> But
> > >what it it came toward the end of the page, and
> the
> > >page ended with
> > >
> > >"it was the age of'
> > >
> > >and the next page began, "of foolishness."
> > >
> > >That rather spoils the rhythm. smile
> > >
> > >Grandma Cindy
> > >
> > >--- Pratik Patel <pratikp1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Consider breaking up the following sentence:
> > > >
> > > > It was the best of times, it was the worst of
> times,
> > > > it was the age of
> > > > wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was
> the
> > > > epoch of belief, it was
> > > > the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of
> > > > Light, it was the season of
> > > > Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was
> the
> > > > winter of despair, we had
> > > > everything before us, we had nothing before
> us, we
> > > > were all going direct to
> > > > Heaven, we were all going direct the other
> way-in
> > > > short, the period was so
> > > > far like the present period, that some of its
> > > > noisiest authorities insisted
> > > > on its being received, for good or for evil,
> in the
> > > > superlative degree of
> > > > comparison only.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Many of Dickens' finest works contain such
> examples
> > > > of huge sentences. You
> > > > would grossly change the structure of books
> should
> > > > you decide to make
> > > > changes to sentences. Plus, you also need to
> > > > ocnsider those individuals who
> > > > may use our books for citation purposes. If a
> > > > sentence is altered the page
> > > > citation may become something other than what
> it
> > > > might have been prior to
> > > > the change.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >
> >
>
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>
> > On
> > > > Behalf Of Pratik Patel
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 12:22 AM
> > > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: words split
> across
> > > > pages
> > > >
> > > > Hello all,
> > > >
> > > > We should not engage in changing sentences to
> fit on
> > > > one page or another
> > > > even if the sentence happens to be broken up
> by a
> > > > foot note. Hyphinated
> > > > words are quite understandable.
> > > >
> > > > Pratik
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >
> >
>
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>
> > On
> > > > Behalf Of Silvara
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 7:35 PM
> > > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: words split
> across
> > > > pages
> > > >
> > > > Hi Rick:
> > > >
> > > > Nothing wrong with spell checking in Word.
> That's
> > > > what I used to do before
> > > > K1000.
> > > >
> > > > Keep up the good work.
> > > >
> > > > ***
> > > > Grace
> > > >
> > > > For scanning and validating tips
> > > > check out
> > > >
>
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> > > >
> > > > For ideas of books to scan check out:
> > > > the No Book Left Behind AKA
> > > > Reject list
> > > >
> >
>
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> > > > Rescan List
> > > >
> >
>
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> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Rik James" <d28rik@xxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 2:35 PM
> > > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: words split
> across
> > > > pages
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >> I personally would be happy if I can
> convince
> > > > those who scan to spell
> > > > > check. (wistful smile) How about getting
> them to
> > > > run rank spelling? (hope
> > > > > hope)
> > > > >
> > > > > If I can see a way to come up with six
> hundred
> > > > smackers, and upgrade to
> > > > > K-1000, I would be happy to run rank
> spelling.
> > > > But for now, it is just a
> > > > > fig tree of my imagination, and a hope. But
> I do
> > > > now do a spell check
> > > > > with
> > > > > my Word program before submitting a book.
> Heck,
> > > > why not.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rik
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >
> >
>
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>
> > On
> > > > Behalf Of Elizabeth and
> > > > > Burton
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 9:57 AM
> > > > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: words split
> across
> > > > pages
> > > > >
> > > > > I personally would be happy if I can
> convince
> > > > those who scan to spell
> > > > > check. (wistful smile) How about getting
> them to
> > > > run rank spelling? (hope
> > > > > hope)
> > > > >
> > > > > E.
> > > > > At 12:52 PM 10/2/2006, you wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>Thanks for mentioning this, E.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>I think it really does make a big difference
> not
> > > > to have the sentences
> > > > >>interrupted by the headers and page numbers.
> I
> > > > too have been adjusting to
> > > > >>see that the ends of pages end in complete
> > > > sentences. I figure if I have
> > > > > to
> > > > >>look for the hyphenated words at the end of
> pages,
> > > > I may as well make the
> > > > >>page end with a complete sentence. And as
> you
> > > > say, this is ESPECIALLY
> > > > >>important when there are footnotes at the
> bottom
> > > > of the page. A reader
> > > > >>can
> > > > >>really get lost when the text of the page
> gets
> > > > interrupted by a bunch of
> > > > >>sentences in footnotes.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Although this is something we can do when
> > > > validating, it would make me
> > > > > happy
> > > > >>as a clam if the person who scanned the book
> and
> > > > submitted it took the
> > > > >>time
> > > > >>and care to do this.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>I am beginning to feel that scanning in
> batch mode
> > > > creates a heck of a lot
> > > > >>more work down the road than just doing the
> scan a
> > > > page at a time, or 2 at
> > > > > a
> > > > >>time in 2 page mode with most books. And to
> at
> > > > least spot check each
> > > > >>paragraph of each page. Then if the scan is
> bad,
> > > > you can just delete the
> > > > >>page right then and there and do a re-scan.
> Happy
> > > > as a clam all over
> > > > > again.
> > > > >>Time for a clam bake. Put on your Elvis
> Presley
> > > > record, and pull out that
> > > > >>old 1960's Elvis movie Clambake, . (smile)
> But
> > > > who the heck really
> > > > >>knows
> > > > >>how happy a clam is anyway? (That could be
> a
> > > > topic for Andy Rooney, huh?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Rik
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>-----Original Message-----
> > > > >>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >
>
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>
> > ounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > > > Behalf Of Elizabeth and
> > > > >>Burton
> > > > >>Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 6:36 AM
> > > > >>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: words split
> across
> > > > pages
> > > > >>
> > > > >>As a validator, I move words and sentence
> > > > fragments so that sentences end
> > > > >>on one page or begin on another. This is
> taking
> > > > some liberty with the
> > > > >>positioning of text though not with the text
> > > > itself. I do this to make
> > > > >>reading go more smoothly for both braille
> users
> > > > and voice users. I find
> > > > >>it
> > > > >>particularly necessary to do this in cases
> where
> > > > footnotes at the bottom
> > > > >>of
> > > > >>pages break up the flow.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Hope this helps.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>E.
> > > > >>
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