[bksvol-discuss] Re: submitting books as text files
- From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 01:10:43 -0700 (PDT)
Not Sarah, but I'm here, so I might as well answer.
A hyphen is a short dash--the bottom one of the key on
your keyboard (I assume you're using a standard
compuer keyboard but if you're using something special
like a Braille keyboard I don't know where it is). It
is used, as you know, to divide words at the ends of
lines (but we eliminate them here) and also in some
compound words, like ages, e.g., "he's twenty-six
years old."
And em dash is a long dash--so named because it is the
width of a printer's letter m (in the old days when
type was set by printers). It's above the short dash
on the keyboard and can be created, at least in Word
on my keyboard, but hitting simultaneously Option,
Shift and the hyphen key. Many people hit the hyphen
key twice when an em-dash is needed.
Which brings us to its use. It's used in a sentence
when a comment or thought interrupts the main thought.
Here's an example from the book I'm validating now:
"My attention was probably drawn to them--Mr.
Hartshorn and Miss Zarinka--because they didn't
dance." It's also used at the end of an incomplete
sentence to show the thought,, or sentence, is
incomplete, e.g., "He thought the man looked familiar.
That might check with Hewitt--"
A different speaker interrupts: "Or with any other of
five hundred people."
Or at the end, or near the end, of a sentence when
the rest of it is a little different thought from the
first part, e.g., "That's why I called in ourside
help--meaning you."
I tend to use em dashes a lot when I wrote. They're
subtly different from parenthetical remarks, which I
also use a lot. If you listen rather than read or use
Braille, you might you might notice a slight change
in tone or a pause. I don't know how braille indicates
an em dash.
I hope this explanation isn't too pedantic or
confusing. I may have gotten into my "teacher" mode.
Sorry. (smile)
Cindy
--- tom hawkins <tjhawk1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Sarah,
> You mentioned the m-dash, in your message, can you
> tell me what it stands
> for. I find them in my word docs.
> Thanks Tom Hawkins
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sarah Van Oosterwijck"
> <curiousentity@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 7:16 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: submitting books as
> text files
>
>
> > Saving as RTF is the best thing you can do for
> potential validators.
> > Saving as a TXT file is likely to get page breaks
> lost or messed up, so it
> > is best not to risk it.
> >
> > If you wouldn't mind fixing the problem of strange
> quotes and apostrophes
> > it would be nice. Save your book in RTF directly
> from Open Book. An Open
> > Book user will have to supply direction for doing
> that if you have
> > problems. Once you have the RTF file you can Open
> that in Word and
> > replace the strange punctuation. Your screen read
> may not tell you that
> > the quotes are close quotes and that the
> apostrophes are single quotes,
> > but I guarantee they are. Find the first
> quotation mark in your file and
> > select it. Hit Control-H and paste it in the find
> box. Tab once and type
> > a quotation mark in the replace box. I believe
> Alt-A is replace all.
> > Next repeat the procedure, but this time find,
> select, and copy an
> > apostrophe or single quote from your file and
> replace with a typed
> > apostrophe.
> >
> > You could also replace em-dashes with two of the
> dashes you can type from
> > your keyboard. All the replacing is to make your
> file bookshare
> > conversion tool friendly. To be nice to braille
> readers I replace all
> > elipsies with spaces between the dots with three
> periods in a row without
> > spaces, which is supposedly a technical error, but
> that is what works for
> > braille translation. The changes you make are
> really up to you. I am
> > only saying what makes both the DAISY and braille
> files made by bookshare
> > come out very readable.
> >
> > Sarah Van Oosterwijck
> > Assistive Technology Trainer
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~netentity
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Scott Blanks" <scottsjb@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 8:50 PM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: submitting books as
> text files
> >
> >
> >> Hi there,
> >>
> >> Thanks for the advice. Actually, I generally had
> been validating my own
> >> submissions, so the need to change format wasn't
> there.
> >>
> >> Well then, here's the next question, if I submit
> as rtf instead, should I
> >> use the same format from openbook? Or would it be
> better to save as text,
> >> then open the text file in ms word, and save that
> as an rtf file?
> >>
> >> Scott
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Jana Jackson" <jana@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 12:44 AM
> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: submitting books as
> text files
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi, Scott! Have you been submitting your books
> in the RTF format? If
> >>> so, you may want to continue with that, rather
> than switching to text,
> >>> especially since RTF is the format of choice for
> Bookshare. Since
> >>> WordPad comes with Windows, RTF is also widely
> available for validating.
> >>> However, to answer your original question, your
> idea of the process is
> >>> correct. <Smile> Thanks for your work!
> >>>
> >>> Jana
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Scott Blanks" <scottsjb@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 8:38 PM
> >>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] submitting books as
> text files
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Hi folks,
> >>>>
> >>>> I scan books using Openbook, and I would like
> to submit them as text
> >>>> files, so that they will be available to a
> larger group of people for
> >>>> validation. So, what I want to confirm is the
> procedure I should take.
> >>>> What I plan to do is:
> >>>> 1. Scan the book in openbook.
> >>>> 2. Keep a copy in the openbook .ark format.
> >>>> 3. Save an additional copy as a text file to be
> submitted to Bookshare.
> >>>>
> >>>> It seems simple enough, but I wanted to check
> with the people in the
> >>>> know to find out if there is anything else I
> need to do to ensure the
> >>>> best transfer of the book from myself to the
> validator.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Scott
> >>>>
> >>>>
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