It is Bookshare's policy to retain title pages and titles of chapters and stories on the first page of the chapter or story, but I am not sure those count as page headers. "Can a nation be free if it oppresses other nations? It cannot." Vladimir Lenin The Militant: http://www.themilitant.com Pathfinder Press: http://www.pathfinderpress.com Granma International: http://granma.cu/ingles/index.html _ table with 2 columns and 6 rows Subj: [bksvol-discuss] Re: headers and footersRE: Re: Question, was: submitted The ... Date: 8/19/2009 11:50:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx Reply-to: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent from the Internet (Details) table end Hi, Roger, I thank you for the explanation. I suppose I'd want occasional headers at the first page of text letting me know I've finished reading the prefatory material and am now reading the book proper. I'd prefer to see headers if the header contains the name of the story I'm reading, especially if I'm reading an anthology, but only on the first page of every story, otherwise, it would be a pain to deal with. Regards, Kim. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 8:31 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: headers and footersRE: Re: Question, was: submitted The ... The page header is usually the title of the book alternating with the name of the chapter or story if it is an anthology. If the chapters are not named or if it is not an anthology the name of the author is usually used. Note that I said usually. In point of fact the page header can be anything the publisher wants to put there or there might not even be a page header. I think they were probably originated as a quick reference to remind the reader of what book he or she was on and what part of the book it was in case that reminder was needed. I think it has also come to be considered esthetically pleasing to the eye. For the sighted reader they are easy to ignore and one might not be even conscious of their presence. To someone who must read every line, though, by synthetic voice or Braille, they can be distracting. They are just one of those print conventions that do not translate well into accessible formats. As I said, certain page headers still do have a use, but even then they are still a bit distracting. "Can a nation be free if it oppresses other nations? It cannot." Vladimir Lenin The Militant: http://www.themilitant.com Pathfinder Press: http://www.pathfinderpress.com Granma International: http://granma.cu/ingles/index.html _ table with 2 columns and 6 rows Subj: [bksvol-discuss] headers and footersRE: Re: Question, was: submitted The Little Bookheaders Date: 8/19/2009 7:11:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx Reply-to: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent from the Internet (Details) table end Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a header the title of a book? For example, in Braille books, I was accustomed to reading the title of the book on every odd numbered page. Now one sees the book title on the prefatory page where one gets the bibliographic information of the book and on the first page of text, I.e., where the story or document begins. I don't know what print books are like, but do you have the Book title on only the odd numbered pages or on all pages? I was pretty much able to ignore the book title on the various pages, though it tends to interrupt the reading just a bit because you have to skip the title line. Regards, Kim. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cindy Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:13 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question, was: submitted The Little Bookheaders Valerie, we are supposed to delete them, but be careful to leave the page number. As a sighted person, do you pay attention to them? I never do. smile. Maybe if I were reading a book of short stories I'd use them to find a particular story, but otherwise I just ignore them, I think those members who listen to books don't have that opportunity if the headers are present. I don't know how they affect Braille readers. Cindy Wish List (i.e., books wanted added to the collection) and books-being-scanned list available at sites below Wish List: https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Bookshare+Wish+List Books Being Scanned List: https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Books+Being+Scanned+List --- On Tue, 8/18/09, Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: block quote From: Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question, was: submitted The Little Book To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 3:13 PM Dear Bud; I just noticed that you also are a ham radio operator. I am also in my call sign is: N0HSJ <br>I have a question probably as much for the list as for you, and that was talking about all headers have been deleted. Do you mean at the top of the page were sometimes it has the title and/or the name of the chapter? I have not been deleting these, as I think they provide visual cues for sighted readers, but if I should be deleting them, I will start with my next book. Or, is it okay to do it whichever way and just make a note in the submissions? Thanks as always for everyone's help! Valerie Please pray for Doug's Dad & visit his website: http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/billkoonce > -----Original Message----- > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss- > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ] On Behalf Of Bud Schwab > Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:27 PM > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] submitted The Little Book > > Hi Gang, > > Just sent in The Little Book by Selden Edwards. It's a little over > 400 pages and all headers have been deleted and it has quite a low > rank spelling number. 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