[bksvol-discuss] Re: fractions -- was Re: Re: Credit Suggestion
- From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 12:56:54 -0700
Hi Jill,
This that I'm going to say is going to be of potentially minimal help.
However, often there are settings in one's screen reader settings denoting
how braille should be represented that can change some of this kind of thing
that you mention. The useless part of my statement comes from the fact that
I haven't clue one of how to tell you how to change and experiment with
braille settings. So, if you're more savvy, or experienced, or brave than I
am, you might be able to get fractions and the like to display better by
changing how math symbols are displayed in your braille device. There is
more than one option for displaying such symbols, literary only, or math,
but I don't know how to create such changes. Just that it's possible to
mess about and see what works best.
Sorry to be of little help. I just wanted to say that there may be a fix
that none of us has discovered yet within each of our own personal
technologies.
Mayrie
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: fractions -- was Re: Re: Credit Suggestion
Mayrie's representation was correct both in speech and in braille. Of
course, I don't like the addition of the dots 4,5,6 before the slash but
then we can't have everything!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 1:52 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: fractions -- was Re: Re: Credit Suggestion
> Hi Mike,
>
> Last I knew, the braille translator could handle fractions like this
> 1/2, but not the fraction symbols that Word generates without turning
> off its auto correct feature for them. I haven't looked at a braille
> book in the bookshare collection containing fractions in a while, so
> don't know if anything has changed though.
>
> Mayrie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike
> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 8:32 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] fractions -- was Re: Re: Credit Suggestion
>
> Seems like this could be a problem of the braille translation program.
> It would have to be able to recognize the way proofers are writing
> fractions and convert them to the Nemeth code. And if we could figure
> out what form the braille converter will make proper fractions from,
> that will probably mess up what would be spoken by text to speech.
>
> *sigh*
>
> Misha
>
> Kim Friedman wrote:
>> Hi, Debby, the fractions you wrote down were heard by my screen
>> reader but my BrailleNote didn't see them but just as a couple of
>> marks and not in the way I've seen fractions look in Braille
>> cookbooks from NLS or fractions in a math book. Regards, Kim.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Debby
>> Franson
>> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 8:36 AM
>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Credit Suggestion
>>
>> Hi Jill and everyone!
>>
>> Whenever I have submitted a cookbook, I have made sure all fractions
>> are correct. I have wondered how accurate other Bookshare cookbooks
>> were until joining this list when I have found that many volunteers
>> take care to correct the scanos, since fractions are usually horrible
>> for OCR to get right.
>>
>> The first cookbook I downloaded years ago was "The I Hate to Cook"
>> cookbook. The fractions were not written as 1/2 and 1/4 but the
>> higher ASCII characters for those fractions, so, unless I was left'
>> or right-arrowing over those fractions, Window-Eyes ignored them
>> entirely, so I hope that people always use the 1/2 and 1/4 form of
>> the fractions so they are read rather than ignored by synthetic speech..
>> I suspect those higher ASCII characters don't show up well on a
>> braille display either. Am I right? Here they are to test:
>>
>> ¼ ½
>>
>> Debby
>>
>> At 09:46 PM 5/6/2010, Jill O'Connell wrote
>>
>>> I hope you sent your suggestion to the volunteer coordinator where
>>> it might possibly do some good. It is really disappointing to
>>> download a recipe book and find it virtually unreadable.
>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: <mailto:mdsmith25@xxxxxxxx>Melissa Smith
>>>> To:
>>>> <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 7:03 PM
>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Credit Suggestion
>>>>
>>>> If only the outsourcers did as fine a job as many of the scanners
>>>> and proofers on this list. I don't know how many books I've read,
>>>> that were done by the outsourcers, that were poorly done. I do make
>>>> quality reports when warranted. Not to mention the fact that, I was
>>>> told a few months ago by Bookshare staff, that the outsourcers
>>>> wouldn't be working on any more cookbooks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Melissa Smith
>>>> On 5/6/2010 5:31 PM, Jamie Yates, CPhT wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> One idea is to let the more complicated books be handled by
>>>>> staff/outsourcers.
>>>>>
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