[bksvol-discuss] Re: dogtown
- From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:12:19 -0700 (PDT)
And the very last thing we want to do is to hurt your
feelings or invalidate your hard work (smile).
I'd have said "ditto" and/or "same to you" but in some
sections of the country "ditto" means something else,
and the "same to you" doesn't sound the way it would
have been meant (smle).
Cindy
The very last thing I wanted to do
> was hurt her feelings or
> invalidate her hard work. Patti
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 8:00 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] dogtown
>
>
> > Oh, dear, Patti. I didn't mean to discourage you,
> and
> > maybe I should have left well enough alone. A lot
> of
> > us read as proofreaders do (in fact that was a job
> I
> > had for a few years). When I validate I read word
> for
> > word and change things as I go--closing spaces,
> > converting hyphens to em dashes, putting page
> breaks
> > where they belong, and changes words, hoping my
> eyes
> > don't fill in and see things as they should be and
> not
> > as they are (e.g., he for the, or as for has;
> > sometimes when I catch one error like that I do a
> > "find" to be sure I don't miss others--o.k., I'm a
> bit
> > too obsessive).
> >
> > I very much hope that you continue to be one of
> us
> > who are *very* careful when we validate. But I
> would
> > add this--rather than accept a book and upload it
> as
> > Fair, I would ask that you release it and ask me,
> > privately or on list, to take a look at it and
> maybe
> > fix it. As far as I can tell, the only problem
> with
> > books that I've "fixed" or validated is that my
> page
> > numbers smetimes get deleted--but that may be, I'm
> > thinking from the discussions here, a function of
> the
> > stripper.
> >
> > Maybe in this case it was the program that Amber
> was
> > using to pre-validate before she submitted that
> kept
> > errors that you saw from appearing to her. My
> personal
> > opinion is that you both did your best jobs and
> > something in the programs being used caused the
> book
> > file to appear differently.
> >
> > Cindy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- patti <plcdoula@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Cindy and all: I'm reading it on the
> >> braillenote. Perhaps when I started
> >> fixing things, it saved it as a keyword file,
> then
> >> some of it turned to
> >> garbage. I was just systematically fixing what I
> >> could, as an editor would;
> >> I'm not going to do that anymore. It's
> >> time-consuming, and if it messes up
> >> the book in the long run, it's not worth it. I
> >> think Amber should contact
> >> Gustapo and ask him to change the rating,
> explaining
> >> the circumstances, if
> >> he's not reading about it, and go on from here.
> >>
> >> I guess when I see the quality of what I get from
> >> nls opposed to the quality
> >> from bookshare, well, let's just say, there's a
> >> difference. In most cases,
> >> it's not enough of a difference, that, if I
> wanted
> >> to read the book bad
> >> enough, I'd read it, but not letter or word
> quality.
> >>
> >> Here's a perfect example; a book I rejected, Home
> >> Front, by Patti Davis. I
> >> couldn't tell you what it was rated as originally
> >> because I just don't
> >> remember; but it was virtually unreadable in
> parts.
> >> I'm a pretty good
> >> guesser of words or even parts of sentences by
> >> context and can fix it; but I
> >> would have really had to work at that one, and in
> >> many instances, I would
> >> have been guessing; and in some instances, I
> >> couldn't have figured it out.
> >>
> >> So, from here on out, I'll validate--pertinent
> info,
> >> overall quality--and
> >> leave it at that. I'm not experienced enough to
> >> know what should be fixed
> >> and what should be left alone. I'd make a good
> >> proofreader because I've
> >> always been an excellent braille reader, and I
> pick
> >> up mistakes in lots of
> >> books and wonder why they weren't caught.
> >>
> >> I'm sorry I hurt Amber's feelings, and I'm sorry
> I
> >> stirred up such a
> >> hornet's nest. I've learned valuable things, and
> I
> >> think the bookshare
> >> project is wonderful, so I'll continue doing what
> >> I'm doing. Patti
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 7:25 PM
> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: a question on the
> last
> >> days of dogtown
> >>
> >>
> >> > Patti,
> >> >
> >> > I'm curious. Which program are you using to
> read
> >> the
> >> > book? I see it's available in BRF and Daisy. I
> >> don't
> >> > know what Amber did it on; Scott apparently is
> >> reading
> >> > it on ist Braillenote. I know you said you're
> >> reading
> >> > it in Braille, but is it a Braille note? Maybe
> >> > something else doesn't read it as well. Can
> you,
> >> or
> >> > can someone, download the Daisy version, which
> I
> >> > understand can be converted to HTML for reading
> >> > purposes as well as being heard.
> >> >
> >> > I guess it's silly to spend so much time on
> this,
> >> but
> >> > as I said to Mike, an unresolved question won't
> >> let me
> >> > rest until I can find an explanation. (smile)
> >> >
> >> > Cindy
> >> >
> >> > --- Scott Blanks <scottsjb@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I downloaded this book from the collection,
> >> placed
> >> >> it on my flash card, and
> >> >> am currently reading it on my Braillenote. I
> >> don't
> >> >> yet see any problems.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have checked about 30 different pages
> >> throughout
> >> >> the book to this point.
> >> >>
> >> >> Scott
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 5:22 PM
> >> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: a question on
> the
> >> last
> >> >> days of dogtown
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > But let's remember that if a book in the
> >> >> collection
> >> >> > is, for whatever reason, only Fair, it can
> be
> >> put
> >> >> on
> >> >> > the download list to be re-validated. If
> >> something
> >> >> > mangled Amber's submitted copy, and the one
> in
> >> the
> >> >> > collection truly is now only Fair, it can be
> >> put
> >> >> back
> >> >> > on the download list by Gustavo, and she can
> >> >> download
> >> >> > it and approve and upload her Excellent
> copy.
> >> It
> >> >> will
> >> >> > be interesting to see what Sue finds out. It
> >> may
> >> >> just
> >> >> > be, as has been suggested that the BRF copy
> got
> >> >> messed
> >> >> > up somehow. Maybe the other copy will
> translate
> >> to
> >> >> BRF
> >> >> > okay.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Let's hope.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Cindy
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --- Mike Pietruk <pietruk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> PPatti
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Sue will be reading not validating the book
> >> for
> >> >> once
> >> >> >> validated and added
> >> >> >> to the collection, there is no
> revalidation.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Let me say something as both a submitter
> and
> >> >> >> validator. Once you have
> >> >> >> been around long enough, you see a lot of
> >> things
> >> >> >> happen to your work that
> >> >> >> sometimes can rub one the wrong way.
> >> >> >> As a submitter, I've seen books mangled and
> >> >> refered
> >> >> >> less useful bvy the
> >> >> >> time it entered the collection.
> >> >> >> I've submitted books that, because another
> >> person
> >> >> >> also happened to submit
> >> >> >> one at more or less the same time, my got
> >> >> rejected
> >> >> >> even though potentially
> >> >> >> it might have been better.
> >> >> >> The other book got accepted first.
> >> >> >> I have had ratings changed.
> >> >> >> The bottom line, as I see it, is so what!
> >> >> >> It's part of life, and as long as the book
> >> makes
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> collection, others
> >> >> >> will benefit be it my copy, someone elses,
> or
> >> >> >> whether the rating reflects
> >> >> >> the book or not.
> >> >> >> So relax, Patti, move on to your next book
> and
> >> >> view
> >> >> >> this as a learning
> >> >> >> experience as every validation can be.
> >> >> >> It gets a lot easier as you do more as you
> >> learn
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> submitters, the
> >> >> >> tricks of the trade, and a lot more.
> >> >> >>
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