[bksvol-discuss] Re: P.S. Re: Re: Asterisks, Daggers in Footnotes

  • From: "Roger Loran Bailey" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> (Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
  • To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 20:41:56 -0500

An endnote is the same thing as a footnote except that instead of appearing at the bottom of the page on which it is referenced it appears at the end of the chapter or at the end of the book.

On 2/5/2016 4:11 AM, Cindy Rosenthal wrote:

Pardon my ignorance, but What is an end note? (I must know but maybe forgot-- Is that the Note section at the end of a book ( that in one of my books fooled me nto doing a lot of extra work because instead of really being notes it was a bibliography sigh
 CIndy

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 1:04 AM, Cindy Rosenthal <grandcyn77@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:grandcyn77@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

    Thanks Jody. so  it's 2  asterisks adjacent ( and 3 if  there is a
    third footnote)  . and I can superscript them.
     o.k. Got it -- thaks


    On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 7:41 AM, Judy s.
    <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
    wrote:

        Hi Cindy,

        Never use the dagger. It doesn't convert properly into braille
        with Bookshare's converter program. I think if you read
        through all of the proofreading instructions Madeleine updated
        yesterday on the volunteer website, you'll find it helpful. smile.

        Here's the link.
        
https://www.bookshare.org/cms/get-involved/volunteer/my-volunteer-home/guide-scanning-and-proofing/proofreading-steps/proofreadi-0

        Judy s.
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        On 2/4/2016 4:49 AM, Cindy Rosenthal wrote:

         Cindy

        On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 12:24 PM, Madeleine Linares
        <Madeleinel@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Madeleinel@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

            Hey Barbara,

            Yep, planning on it! I’m going to add that to the
            instructions this week.

            Best,

            Madeleine

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            *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Asterisks, Daggers in
            Footnotes

            Madeline,

            Could someone at Bookshare create a guide sheet telling
            the volunteer what to do about the asterisks for
            different situations? I want be happy to compose one if
            you want.

            Barbara

                
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                *Sent:* Tuesday, February 2, 2016 3:50 PM
                *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Asterisks, Daggers in
                Footnotes

                *Ok, Evan.*

                *I shall do the same then.*

                *Rather than replacing these lowercase f and t’s that
                are actually daggers, I shall replace them with 2
                asterisks.*

                *This is BOTH places, right?*

                *Both where they appear up in the text, and down at
                the bottom of the page with the footnote.*

                *Correct?*

                *Thanks very much.*

                *I might ask.*

                *How does the reader using speech know they have come
                up on the the footnote?*

                *Separate subject, I know.*

                *Rik*

                *From:*Evan Reese <mailto:mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

                *Sent:*Tuesday, February 2, 2016 2:34 PM

                
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                *Subject:*[bksvol-discuss] Re: Asterisks, Daggers in
                Footnotes

                Hi Rick,

                Two asterisks for the dagger is what I do. I just
                finished scanning a book but haven’t started reading
                yet that has more than one footnote on several pages
                and two asterisks is what I’m changing the dagger to..

                Evan

                *From:*ohio1803@xxxxx <mailto:ohio1803@xxxxx>

                *Sent:*Tuesday, February 02, 2016 4:10 PM

                
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                *Subject:*[bksvol-discuss] Re: Asterisks, Daggers in
                Footnotes

                *Okay, Evan brought it up in a discussion thread
                about asterisks.*

                *But this DOES bring up for me and indeed go back, as
                he suggests to the subject of how we at Bookshare do
                Footnotes.*

                *I am working on scanning a book.*

                *I am done with scanning and am currently editing the
                footnote stuff for it, preparing for submission very
                soon.*

                *This book has used a single asterisk. After a period
                in the text, and at the bottom of the page for the
                beginning of the Footnote.*

                *Nice and easy. *

                *An open bracket [ goes in front of the asterisk on
                the bottom of page and the close bracket at close of
                the footnote. ]*

                *Right?*

                *Now.*

                *But here is where I ask you.*

                *When there IS a 2nd footnote on the page.*

                *In the book, they use a Single dagger for the
                footnote marker. *

                *My scan of the book identified it as an f or a t.*

                *So NOW I am just at the point where I am planning to
                replace each of those with the character of the
                single dagger.*

                *I did read in the past in the volunteer manual about
                using the two asterisks instead.*

                *In other words, replacing daggers with 2 asterisks. *

                *But that manual I am not sure if that is STILL the
                desired practice or not.*

                *So Madeline, and others if you can reply, and advise.*

                *Which do you want me to do?*

                *I will watch and wait before I proceed.*

                *At this point in my project I have them still as a
                character t up in the text and down at the footnote.*

                *Yes this business it can be a quagmire. But such
                cozy company we all make, don’t you think? (smile.)*

                *Thanks.*

                *Rik*

                *From:*Evan Reese <mailto:mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

                *Sent:*Tuesday, February 2, 2016 11:08 AM

                
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                *Subject:*[bksvol-discuss] Re: Asterisks

                Thanks Madeleine.

                Okay, so in the case of the book that Judy was asking
                about, this Christmas in Michigan book, which I
                scanned, and Lissi proofread, has a holly leaf at the
                beginning of each recipe. So then one asterisk would
                be used in that situation?

                And, (since I know this question is going to come up
                on the Volunteer list almost immediately), some books
                do actually use three asterisks, or three bullets, to
                indicate change of scene. Are we supposed to remove
                two out of three of those asterisks, or replace the
                three bullets with just one asterisk?

                Oh boy! What a quagmire! Almost as bad as the one on
                how to handle footnotes.

                Evan

                Evan

                *From:*Madeleine Linares
                <mailto:Madeleinel@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

                *Sent:*Tuesday, February 02, 2016 12:54 PM

                
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                *Subject:*[bksvol-discuss] Asterisks

                Hi everyone,

                I’m so sorry for the all of the confusion that
                asterisks have caused. I have met with our Collection
                Development team to come up with one rule that both
                volunteers, vendors, and staff will follow from now on.

                Asterisks should only be used to show a break in the
                text. One single asterisk may be used to show a very
                large break, a doodad, or decorative object in the
                text used to show a new speaker, a change of scene,
                etc. It should not be used to separate chapter titles
                from the text, whether or not they start partway down
                the page or don’t have the word “chapter” in front of
                them.

                There may be exceptions to this rule, but please
                contact me or the collection development team before
                guessing.

                As always, we are dedicated to making sure that
                Bookshare volunteers, staff, and vendors are on the
                same page (heh, sorry) with instructions. We want to
                make the process as consistent as possible so that we
                ensure the highest quality books for our members. We
                take into account changes in the conversion process,
                better understanding of our reading tools and
                members’ wishes, as well as copyright law when making
                this kind of decision.

                Best,

                Madeleine Linares

                Volunteer Coordinator

                Bookshare, a Benetech Initiative

                650-644-3459 <tel:650-644-3459>

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