Jeff,
Thank you for the response.
I was only speaking on the former, not the latter. There are examples of
the former (non-coercive) in real life: hippy communes, kibbutz, etc.
Religious communes tend to last longer than secular ones, interestingly
enough. But, as far as libertarianism and non-capitalism (itself a coercive
structure if you believe in the theory of wage slavery as some Libertarians
do) goes, it is non-coercive and perfectly in line with the Non-Aggression
Principle and thus not an oxymoron.
Thanks for the discussion.
Richard
On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 12:16 AM Jeff Chan <webmaster@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Wednesday, October 6, 2021, 4:37:06 AM, Richard Fast wrote:
Some Libertarians support capitalism. I think that's misguided. I think
what they're really after are free(d) markets.
Some Libertarians think what we have now is capitalism. I think that'salso
misguided. What we have now is crony capitalism, or fascism lite (the
marriage of corporations and state; the authoritarianism is subtly
building layers, in some cases not so subtly).
In any case, thanks for the suggestion. I hope more Libertarians will see
that free(d) markets are the goal, not capitalism. After all, there are
many Libertarians in good standing who are anti-capitalist (who are not
socialist, at least not of the coercive kind).
Non-coercive socialism or communism seems to be a potentially ontological
oxymoron. IF everyone in a commune agreed to be there, then it could
be non-coercive. But if anyone in a communist or socialist system did
not want to be there AND was unable to exit, then by definition
socialism or communism would initiate force against them in the normal
course of operation, i.e., forceful redistribution of wealth.
I suppose the former is an ideal, but there seems to be a lot more of
the latter in real life.
Cheers,
Jeff C.
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Live long and prosper - Kennita
Throwaway comment: If (the writer of) Gordon Gekko were an actual
capitalist he would know that capitalism isn't a zero sum game. It's
about creating new value, new markets using capital. That creates new
value for everyone in those markets. In aggregate, capitalism
improves the living standards of all, particularly when not distorted
by artificial government regulations which favor or disfavor one party
over another. The latter also usually makes markets less efficient
overall. When the latter happens, it makes everyone poorer in
aggregate.
Jeff C.
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From: "Jim Gray"
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Subject: FW: Is Capitalism Immoral?
Date: October 5, 2021 at 07:06:29 PDT
To: "Jim Gray" <jimpgray@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:jimpgray@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Hi to our 2 Paragraphs Family,
I just received this note from the Hoover Institution at Stanford
University and ordered a free copy. And I thought many of you might
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Best regards,
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Sent: Tuesday, October 5, 2021 5:48 AM
To: jimpgray@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:jimpgray@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Is Capitalism Immoral?
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of a better word, is good.” “It's a zero-sum game, somebody wins,
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“The point is ladies and gentlemen that greed, for lack of a betterword, is good.”
“It's a zero-sum game, somebody wins, somebody loses.”
“If you need a friend, get a dog.”
In 1987 Michael Douglas brought us these lines playing financier
and corporate raider Gordon Gekko in the movie Wall Street. These
heartless-sounding quotes and ones like them are about all that many
Americans have ever heard about capitalism.
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