Chris, If you didn't see much from Carlsbad, that would explain why I didn't see anything at all from Phoenix! Not like the dusk launch from a few weeks ago, which was very cool. Neville ----Original Message Follows---- From: Christopher Watson <skygx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Reply-To: az-observing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: AZ-Observing <az-observing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [AZ-Observing] Titan IV Launch from VAFB Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:22:58 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From a high bluff in Carlsbad, CA, with unobstructed NW view of the coast, I watched the launch of the last of the Titan IV vehicles from Vandeberg AFB this morning. The first evidence of a exhaust plume was seen at 11:04:55, as it climbed above the light cloud bank hugging the coast. Nothing but grey-white smoke against a light blue sky. I saw the trail quickly extending toward the WSW, with no hint of any flame point. At about 11:06:25 I saw a burst of yellow-orange light at the tip of the exhaust trail which lasted about 3 seconds. Probably a stage burnout and separation. After that, no further flame detections, and the trail quickly became too difficult to detect against the bright sky. After about 11:08, there was no telling a rocket had launched. This was my first day launch observation. All my others have been duck or night launches. I'd have to say that the presence of the Sun creates a very underwhelming experience. Christopher Watson Carlsbad, CA -- See message header for info on list archives or unsubscribing, and please send personal replies to the author, not the list.