I think your analogy is wrong, Mark. SVG is a type of XML. A Holden is a type of car. You can't say that to drive from the town of Illustrator to the town of Visio , "hey, you don't need a car - you just use a Holden!" Just like you can't say "hey, you don't need XML, you can use SVG instead!" XML isn't a file format. It's a meta-language - a set of rules for creating formats to store knowledge. You don't use XML to create SVG. SVG is an XML application (a structured format built to the XML rules). Regards Tony >>> "Mark" <markwar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 10/09/08 5:23 PM >>> Tony, You appear to be saying that to do something with a file, you must have the technology to produce the file in the first place. Have I got that right? I didn't need someone to point that out, and doubt anyone else did either. Bit like saying that to drive a car you need the components to build the car. Cheers, Mark -----Original Message----- From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Anthony Self Sent: Wednesday, 10 September 2008 16:24 To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: atw: Re: XML - a requirement for a TechWriter looking forwork? Dear Matthew and Geoff Yes, Geoff, you are right when you says you can save your Visio drawing to SVG, and then import the SVG into Illustrator. But you're wrong to say you don't need XML! SVG is an XML technology, pure and simple. It is an open source, XML, vector graphics format, and is particularly useful (like all XML technologies) for data interchange. Such as moving between Visio, and Illustrator. Tony Self >>> "Geoffrey Marnell" <geoffrey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 10/09/08 4:14 PM >>> Matthew, You don't need XML to do that. Just save your Visio file as a scalable vector graphic (.svg) and open it in Illustrator. It opens as a regular vector graphic, with all components editable. Cheers Geoffrey Marnell Principal Consultant Abelard Consulting Pty Ltd T: (+61 3) 9596 3456 F: (+61 3) 9596 3625 W: http://www.abelard.com.au -----Original Message----- From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Matthew da Silva Sent: Wednesday, 10 September 2008 4:01 PM To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: atw: Re: XML - a requirement for a TechWriter looking forwork? While discussing XML is there any way to use XML to migrate drawings between software packages? I've got a Visio file I want to get into Illustrator. I assume the only way is to redo it in Illustrator from scratch. = -----Original Message----- From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Anthony Self Sent: Wednesday, 10 September 2008 3:41 PM To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: atw: Re: XML - a requirement for a TechWriter looking forwork? Dear Nikki and all When Dave Halls advised technical writers to "learn XML", he was giving good counsel. Not wanting to put words in his mouth, his more explicit advice might have been to "learn the basics and principles of XML so you can understand what it all means". XML is bigger than Ben Hur. It is a bigger initiative than the World Wide Web. XML is a set of building blocks for the categorisation, storage and retrieval of all human knowledge. It is impossible to learn everything there is to know about XML, because of the length and breadth of the technology. XML has already affected many aspects of our personal and business lives. Journalists use it to produce your newspaper. iPods use it for podcasting. Amazon uses it to help you choose books to buy. Bloggers use it. GMail uses it to provide a richer Web mail client. RoboHelp uses it to store its project file settings. OpenOffice uses it to store office documents in an international standard format. Scholars use it to understand Sumerian literature. The Bureau of Stats uses it to distribute census data. And so on. In the documentation field, authoring tools are built around XML. If your tool is not XML-based, it's out-of-date, and probably about to be redundant. Frame is XML-based. Flare is XML-based. Word 2007 is XML-based. OpenOffice is XML-based. AuthorIt is XML-based. Firefox is XML-based. It is possible that you can stumble on, perhaps even using Word or Frame, and be blissfully unaware of what XML is. Perhaps you can continue to make a living for many years to come without understanding one jot of XML. But Dave Halls' talk and advice related to professional development. If you want to progress in your profession, you must understand XML and its impacts. There are more relevant changes to our working mode just around the corner. Moving from style-based authoring to structured authoring is perhaps the biggest change. The return on investment of structured authoring using DITA (another XML-based technology/methodology) is potentially enormous. At the moment, the tools haven't quite caught up to the technology, so it is a little early for many organisations to move to this approach, but in a year or two, everyone will be moving in that direction. You won't understand DITA and structured authoring unless you understand (the basics and principles of) XML. Because XML is so big, it's best to start now, rather than try to catch on when it's too late! Finally, I have had the pleasure of working on a number of DITA projects, as well as teaching it, and it is an extremely rewarding thing to work with as a writer. Tony Self >>> "Nikki Ward" <Nikki.Ward@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 10/09/08 9:32 AM >>> Hi all, If you have some time, I would like some feedback on this presentation supplied to the QLD Tech Writers group. 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