Well put Peter. It seems to me that some on this thread have trivialised the NBN issue. Consider this analogy. Before the Stuart Highway linked Adelaide and Darwin, there was a dirt track. (Think copper wire.) It suited those nomads who wanted to walk, say, from Oodnadatta to Tennant Creek. There was a path they could follow and so less chance of getting lost. The occasional supply lorry could get through too, but it took a long time. Now if the government of the day decided to butumise the path (think install an NBN) solely to make the nomads life easier, and to help the occasional lorry driver, then that, plainly, would have been a sheer waste of money. Likewise if we were to build an NBN solely so that folk could download videos more quickly. Yes, that would be an enormous waste of money. But just as the butumised Stuart Highway has massively increased the efficiency of goods distribution (thereby cutting distribution and down-stream costs), a very-high-speed broadband network will massively improve the efficiency with which valuable work can be done. The NBN will enable companies to move large chunks of data around more efficiently (replacing costly batch processing with real-time processing). It will enable universities and other research centres to remotely access super computers for large-scale number crunching. It will help the stock market more quickly see the approach of wealth-destroying volatility and ameliorate it. It will improve the richness of learning materials delivered online. I could go on and on and bore you all to tears. Yes, we will get faster video downloads, but that is a side benefit: a happy epiphenomenon. But it was never conceived as the sole benefit of an NBN or even a major benefit. Given the wide spread of efficiency improvements possible with the NBN-commercial, academic, governmental and personal-there seems nothing implausible in the idea that it be funded by government (and even by government debt). Leave such a project to the private sector alone and you'll end up paying more for its use, for governments can borrow more cheaply than the private sector and are not interested, or not driven, by the profit motive. You might think that you will never use the NBN and thus shouldn't have to pay for it with your taxes. But you might just change your mind when the emergency ward at the hospital you are taken to after that blackout can swiftly access your electronic medical records and tailor their treatment to your benefit, not having to guess your history and waste time with tentative, ineffective and possibly fatal treatments. Cheers Geoffrey Marnell Principal Consultant Abelard Consulting Pty Ltd T: +61 3 9596 3456 F: +61 3 9596 3625 W: <http://www.abelard.com.au/> www.abelard.com.au Skype: geoffrey.marnell _____ From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter G Martin Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 11:17 AM To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: atw: Re: National Broadband Network issue A couple of "sceptics" here seem to have latched onto the facile argument that the NBN is about having more time for people to download movies. It's the equivalent of saying we have a telephone network today so people can spend all day talking to each other on the phone and not doing any proper work (an argument that was raised about establishment of phone systems). Of course this is nonsense. Increased bandwidth may be used for movies in some instances... including movies of things like business and academic conferences, university lectures, training sessions for increased workplace productivity -- which don't sound as trivial as people wanting to download movies for entertainment. And in each of those cases, there are opportunities to reduce travel and transport costs, CO2 and other pollution, which some of us see as important. But it so happens that our "phone" system today is of huge advantage to private businesses like banks, insurance companies etc etc etc. When we get increased bandwidth (there isn't really much doubt about it) private sector businesses will be first on the "socialist" bandwagon for more business transactions and data exchange. Hell, some of them might even be able to get around to electronic funds transfers that don't take 3 days to work their way from one bank to another ! (Why do I doubt that? Ok they'll have the capacity, if not the will.) I've spent years documenting uses of the internet that have nothing to do with movies. And each and every system I've worked on documenting has had issues at some point or another with capacity and bandwidth, even as the bandwidth available expanded up to 10 times or more.. So conservative thinkers might consider that things will stay pretty much the same... we have found uses for the phone system in the past to the point where its carrying capacity has had to have been increased exponentially. That process is bound to continue, if we look at parallel developments overseas. Gee, why would you ever want to use more than 640k of RAM in your personal computer ? Just so the kids could play more of those computer games ? Meanwhile, those who advocate the "free enterprise system" which of course, has its benefits as well as its disasters, might note that a general requirement usually seen as a condition for "freedom" in this context is the avoidance or restraint of monopolies. We happen to have a case where a single company has been handed 75% of the national communication grid. This same company is also a supplier of services over that grid, in "competition" with others who have limited access. Whatever you want to call that, it ain't "free enterprise".... it's entrenched monopoly, and the governments of both major persuasions who contributed to that situation stuffed it up. And both of them have a responsibility to try to restore some balance. -Peter M ************************************************** To view the austechwriter archives, go to www.freelists.org/archives/austechwriter To unsubscribe, send a message to austechwriter-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe" in the Subject field (without quotes). 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