Hi John,
to export keystrokes, open the preferences dialog, select the keyboard
category, then tab to the export button, and press it.
David.
On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 11:09 AM, John Covici <covici@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
OK, that isinteresting. How do I export toam Xmlfile -- I am pretty
comfortable editing those kindof files, I do it all the time in other
applications. That would help me get going.
On Fri, 03 Feb 2017 04:31:24 -0500,
Andrew Downie wrote:
arrow keys.
John, I suggest you make a test recording and play with the
features/commands Thomas and I have mentioned. Regarding what
you describe as the two functions of the arrow keys, it is not so
strange once you have done a bit of experimenting. Clearly,
pressing left or right arrow key can only clear a selection if a
selection has been made. While you cannot imagine when you would
do that, I both do it a lot and find it most useful. If - say -
you have selected a section of audio and have added an effect to
it you may want to listen to it several times. Once satisfied,
press right arrow and then pressing either spacebar or shift-a
will start playing from the end of what was selected.
Regarding keyboard commands, the news is not ideal. You get to
keyboard commands through Preferences. Unfortunately, the
assigned keyboard commands are not accessible through
VoiceOver. You can export the current assignments to an xml file
and, if desired, edit and import. Having learned much through
going through the key assignments on Windows machines, this is a
pain.
Anyway, have a play and discover the idiosyncrasies and, as
Thomas said, the benefits of Audacity.
I will be away for several days, so will be silent here until the
middle of next week.
Andrew
On 3/02/2017 2:03 AM, John Covici wrote:
That clarifies things a bit. One more question -- how do I look at
the keystrokes and possibly add a keystroke? Give me the procedure on
Windows as well, but I am particularly interested in doing this on
the Mac.
Thanks again.
On Thu, 02 Feb 2017 09:08:51 -0500,
Thomas Byskov Dalgaard wrote:
Hi John!
Yes, when pressing shift+a you can move the cursor with left or right
And:You pause by pressing p. Resume playback again by pressing p again.
Best regards Thomas
Den 2. feb. 2017 kl. 15.05 skrev John Covici <covici@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Does the same apply if I use shift -a to start and stop playback?
the selection.how do I pause rather than stop playback?
On Thu, 02 Feb 2017 09:02:19 -0500,
Thomas Byskov Dalgaard wrote:
Hi John!
When I described the arrow keys was when moving the start or end of
it is playing.The arrow keys behave different when your audio is paused and when
cursor left or right with the arrow keys.When you press the spacebar to stop the audio, you move the actual
combinations must be applied to shrink or extend the selection.
If you have selected something though, the shift and shift-command
covici@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
Hope this helps
Best regards Thomas
Den 2. feb. 2017 kl. 14.29 skrev John Covici <
theMac
The way voiceover works, it expects the program to conform to
makestandards and makes no allowances. So the developer will have to
figured some of the basics out.Audacity do all the labels and other functions that vo requires.
But back to my question -- you have described two functions for the
left and right arrow keys -- under which circumstances do which of
these multiple functions apply?
On Thu, 02 Feb 2017 06:42:20 -0500,
Thomas Byskov Dalgaard wrote:
Hi John!
No, I have never tried Protools.
I actually think Audacity does a very nice job, when you have
sure if Voiceover could improve regarding program languages or controles...I actually love editing multiple tracks project. :)
I am unsure on where accessibility can be fixed. I don't know for
Or if it is something in the source of Audacity that needs to be changed to
get better accessibility. Again, I am not a programmer and I can not afford
a studio package like Protools since 99 percent of my work is spoken audio
and has nothing to do with midi or music production.
started with Audacity on Windows before I tried it on the Mac, since thereAs I stated earlier, I think I would have learnt a lot more if I
is some areas that works better with the screenreaders.
covici@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:Best regards Thomas
Den 2. feb. 2017 kl. 12.32 skrev John Covici <
protools?
Thanks. Its a pretty peculiar system. Did you ever use
bracket,Maybe I have to do that to get something decent. This seems very
counterintuitive.
I was able actually to set the time by clicking the right
lately.hitting home and typing, although I get no speech feedback.
On Thu, 02 Feb 2017 06:13:42 -0500,
Thomas Byskov Dalgaard wrote:
Hi Andrew and John!
First of all: Sorry I didn't catch this discussion before.
I am a fulltime Mac user and have played a little with Audacity
discovering Audacity. Looking bak I guess I should have started on WindowsAndrew, you have certainly nailed some of the issues I had when
where accessibility at the moment is far better than in the Mac version. I
believe I would have save myself for a few frustrations over accessibility
issues.
regardless of accessibility on the Mac. I actually wish I was a programmerDon't get me wrong: Audacity does some very very nice things
so I could try to help other Mac users out instead of just giving details
on areas that don't work at the moment.
control-optionshift-m and from here select the amount of time. I prefer the
Now, enough of my ramblings, *grin*
Go to time:
If you don't want to control-click you can press
same as you, Andrew. :) You still have to press the left bracket key twice
to get into the dialogue.
selection.
Some notes about Selection:
You can press shift-F8 to hear a portion after your end of
you've set the cursor with shift-a, but you are then selecting from theAs I understand you can press the right bracket key after
cursor to the right bracket, and that is different than other editors.
selected. That means we can move the cursor without deselecting the timePlaying with this actually learnt me something nice:
If we set the end of selection, all audio from the cursor is
range.
suppose you are doing this while the audio is playing. So playback will notSo, find the end of the selection and press right bracket. I
stop. If you press the space bar now, you have a selection. If you hit the
right or left arrow key your selection becomes deselected again.
shift-A. Then the cursor is moved and so is the selection. So if we deleteSo how do we move the selection points?
We can do a few things.
One way could be to play from the cursor, and then pressing
we do not need to specify the start of selection, since that is represented
by the cursor.
Shift left arrow will move the start of selection to the left. Shift rightYou can also press shift left or right arrow to make changes.
arrow will move the end of the selection to the right.
the left.Shift command left arrow will move the end of the selection to
to the right.Shift command and right arrow will move the start of selection
2.1-screenreader. Tracks are not possible to navigate very easily, so youThe last keys here took me a few minutes to get right. :)
I hope this could help you a little.
What ever you do, do not use versions later than
might spare yourself for some frustrations by waiting a little before
updating.
covici@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
Hope this helps
Best regards Thomas
Den 2. feb. 2017 kl. 11.38 skrev John Covici <
uses for
A couple of points here -- you have described two different
to thethe arrow keys one is go back abit, and the other is getting
can'tbeginning or end of the selection while removing it which I
theimagine ever doing. So when are these different functions of
to doarrow keys available?
Also, I was able to play after the selection, but the only way
so Iit was to go to the edit menu and go to the selection submenu,
movewould like to set up a keystroke for that.
On Thu, 02 Feb 2017 05:29:55 -0500,
Andrew Downie wrote:
Normally, pressing left arrow should do what you want - just
fairlyback a little. The amount will depend on file length and zoom
level, but it shouldn't jump you back to the start unless
leftclose to it. Can Mac users replicate John's problem?
Regarding playing past end of selection, normally pressing
ofarrow will clear the selection and leave you at the beginning
selection. Iwhat was the selection. Pressing right arrow will clear the
selection and leave you at what was the end of the
not indid find this morning on the Mac that those commands were not
working, so will check again tomorrow. But unless there is
something I have completely missed, you cannot play past the
selection while that selection remains. In programs such as
Total Recorder and, I think, Goldwave you can do that, but
question,Audacity. Someone correct me if I have missed a feature.
Andrew
On 2/02/2017 8:55 PM, John Covici wrote:
I did want to set the end of the selection. Now, I have one
I then hitif I am playing (using shift-a) and stop using the same, if
what Ileft arrow I wind up back at the beginning of the file when
intuitive.want to do is move the cursor back a bit. Very non
on the
I did find a way to play past the end of the selection, its
lot.menus, but there is no keystroke -- this is something I do a
done
On Thu, 02 Feb 2017 04:31:29 -0500,
Andrew Downie wrote:
Your mention of the right bracket troubles me a little
(smile). Your hope was to set a starting point and that is
rightwith the left bracket (the one to the right of the p). The
behavebracket sets the end point of the selection. Those keys
dialogdifferently when playing and stopped. When stopped, the
such asallowing you to enter a start and end time respectively
appears. While on that, you do not have to set an end point
unless wanting to do something with that portion of audio
setsamplifying, adding an effect, deleting etc.
If you press left bracket when playing, that sets the start
point. Similarly, pressing the right bracket when playing
spacebar tothe end point. Playing will continue until you press
thatstop it but next time you press spacebar to start playing
point,will be from where you hit the left bracket. Clear as mud?
If you have made a selection by setting a start and end
left oronly that part of the audio will play. Usually, pressing
happeningright arrow will clear the selection, but that was not
control keyfor me this morning on the Mac.
The Mac I use also has a trackpad. Holding down the
I did notand pressing the trackpad will produce a control-click.
If this does not compute, do you have a Skype account?
Andrew
On 2/02/2017 6:32 PM, John Covici wrote:
OK, I was able to press the right bracket and get a time.
typing. Iknow about the right arrow key, but I get no speech while
is nothen tried to play past the selection and discovered there
preferences, butkeystroke for that. I tried looking in the keyboard
mouse butit is not obvious now to find anything in there using vo.
this is as far as I have gotten.
So, how do you do a control click on the Mac? Mine has no
pressing on thethe trackpad. I tried hitting the control key and
this istrackpad, but nothing happened. I want to do this because
definitivesupposed to initiate a scrub.
Sorry for all the questions, but I am new to audacity.
On Thu, 02 Feb 2017 01:22:24 -0500,
Andrew Downie wrote:
Hi again John. After all my equivocating, here is the
running OS10.answer, at least as far as Audacity v2.1.0 on a Mac
current
When I press left bracket ([) VoiceOver announces the
arrowposition. Having entered a new time, pressing VO-right
sounds like(not left as I said yesterday) reports my entry. It
isyou are not getting those responses. My copy of Audacity
do as tosomewhat dated and others will have a better idea than I
settings:which more recent version will work.
If your version is at default settings, that may have an
effect. Because I am a pedant I set time format to hours,
minutes, seconds and milliseconds. To change time
press Enter.
Press the trusty left bracket.
2. Hold down control key and click the mouse.
3. Arrow up/down until you find an option you like and
time. If
I think I gave correct info yesterday as to entering
want toset to hours, minutes, seconds and milliseconds and you
point,go to five minutes 30 seconds and 125 milliseconds:
Having pressed left bracket:
Press Home
Enter 000530125. Pressing enter should put you at that
are,speech or no speech. But if you want to check where you
recenthaving no speech would be a real pain.
If no joy, check with more regular Mac users as to which
text. MyAudacity version works.
Andrew
In summary, if you get no speech when
On 1/02/2017 10:08 PM, John Covici wrote:
OK, thanks.
On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 05:35:50 -0500,
Andrew Downie wrote:
No, you definitely do not have to interact with the
havedodgy memory is that VO-left arrow will report what you
tomorrow.written, but will try to remember to check it out
type, but maybe this
Andrew
On 1/02/2017 7:50 PM, John Covici wrote:
I will try that and see what happens.
Thanks for the hint. I wish vo would read as you
this?will do. Do I have to interact with the text to do
Mac today but
On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 01:02:43 -0500,
Andrew Downie wrote:
One out of two is not good. I forgot to check the
followingdid find my earlier post on this issue. See if the
finer pointshelps John. I will try to refresh my brain on some
wrote latetomorrow. Meanwhile, here is an excerpt from what I
the brackets,last year:
I made a breakthrough today. Having pressed one of
not knowingpressing Home fixes the issue I noted yesterday of
assumes youwhere the cursor had landed. The following example
seconds andare as fussy as me and have set to hours, minutes,
sevenmilliseconds, but adjust according to your setup.
Let's assume you want to set the cursor at 3 minutes,
Function-shift-Command-left does the job)seconds and 351 milliseconds.
1. Press left bracket ([)
2. Press Home (on the Macbook Air
said,
3. Write 000307351 and press Enter
You will be placed back on the audio track. As David
before you pressVoiceOver commands can be used to read the value
very smallEnter. That becomes important if you want to make
settings beforeadjustments, as you will need to know current
thingsmaking an adjustment.
Andrew
On 31/01/2017 9:18 PM, John Covici wrote:
Well, I did try that, but I could not get vo to read
typing. If Iconsistently and I could never be sure of what I was
missing something?interacted with the text, I get nothing. Am I
was having a
On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 05:09:38 -0500,
Andrew Downie wrote:
I stoked up a Mac a few weeks ago when someone else
pearls ofsimilar issue. Unfortunately, I have deleted my
Meanwhile,wisdom.
I will try to remember to check again tomorrow.
format you haveexactly what you enter will depend on the time
firstset. If I remember correctly, pressing Home is the
seconds enterstep. Then, if you want to go to 5 minutes and 5
minutes, seconds00:05:05.00 assuming you have set time to hours,
success, toand hundreds of seconds. I am trying, without
remember thatremember how to set time format on the Mac. I do
requires a bit ofgetting VoiceOver to read what you have entered
work.digital gymnastics.
Let me know if you make no progress.
Andrew
On 31/01/2017 8:02 PM, John Covici wrote:
However, I am on a Mac and could not get this to
key while
On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 22:04:43 -0500,
Liu Kai wrote:
on a windows system if you push the left bracket
diologue where you canplayback is stopped, it brings up the time
on it, it playstype in a time to go to. and when you hit enter
specific timefrom that time.
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know about what time I
I want to enter the time numerically because I
the left bracketwant and it may be a long file.
On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 18:30:39 -0500,
Liu Kai wrote:
use the space bar to stop play back, then hit
specific timeand it would bring it up.
life is good
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voiceover and I would
Hi. I am using audacity on my Macbook pro using
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