Just use the shift and shift+control + arrow combinations.
Make it a point to always press control+2 first since this resets the
step size to normal.
In addition, you can use all the preview functions to exactly hear
where the cut is:
Shift+F5, plays before the left edge.
Shift+F6, plays after the left edge (comparable to normal play but
stops automatically after the preview duration).
Shift+F7, plays before the right edge.
Shift+F8, plays after the right edge.
You can even use the bracket commands during the preview.
Let's say that you've missed half a word at the left side. You can now
press Shift+F5 followed by left bracket and thus the selection is
extended to the left.
It's also a good idea to press the z key before deleting since this
places the edges at a zero point and avoids thus unwanted clicks.
Robert
On 27/08/2020, Rick USA <richardrthomas48@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Andrew:
Before trying the Bracketed Selection Method again I tried the Stored Cursor
Method you mentioned in your prior posting.
I like to be able to hear what is going on in the audio stream while
adjusting a selection with as few keystrokes as possible.
As mentioned above, I have not yet figured out how to fine adjust the
selection using the left and right brackets on my own just reading the
manuals and tutorials but will get to them soon.
I have a question to add continuing steps to this documented test of the
Stored Cursor Method:
It involves how to Re-Adjust the Stored Cursor positions if not happy with
the initial selection end-points when listening to the playback preview of
the proposed changes.
Here is what I did which worked and my question:
Selecting Audio using Stored Cursor Method:
1) Add a new track with an embedded phrase to be removed.
2) Hit Spacebar to start playback at beginning and hit the "x" key when I
hear the first word of the phrase to be removed to set the Edit Cursor
there.
3) I Used scrubbing Key "u" to move the edit cursor back to the silence just
before the first word of the phrase.
4) Hit Alt + "s" to Open the Select menu, and choose Store Cursor position.
5) play the file again, this time it started at the StoredCursor, and hit
the "x" key to set the edit cursor at the desired end point after the last
word in the phrase
6) Use scrubbing keys to move the edit cursor to just where I wanted the end
position.
7. Alt + "s" to Open the Select menu again and choose Cursor to Stored
Cursor position to select the indicated audio.
8) press C which plays a preview of what the stream will sound like without
the selected audio from a few seconds before to a few seconds after the
selected audio.
If good hit the delete key.
[I did that and it worked but...]
else
How would I most efficiently tweak the first Stored Cursor or Second Edit
Cursor end points if not satisfied with the preview?
End Of Test
After I complete testing this method I will look at the bracketed
selection method if I can ask for your help if I get stuck.
P.S.
You can modify and, or, use any tests I post up however you want toward
your documentation efforts.
See you on the flip-side
Rick USA
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From: Andrew Downie
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 6:48 AM
To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Audio Selection Question
Hi Rick
Now there was a little detail I omitted. The brackets behave differently
when playing to when stopped. One thing that remains constant though is
that the left bracket sets the left side of the highlight and the right
bracket the right side.
The option you suggested of hitting left bracket while playing where you
want the selection to start and hitting right bracket at the end point is
correct. The track will continue to play until you hit the spacebar but
when you play again only the highlighted region will be played. When
pressing either bracket when stopped you are presented with a dialog where
you can adjust the position. That requires some familiarisation, but is
easy once you get the hang of it.
You may find this introductory audio tutorial I did a few years ago more
helpful than my clumsy textual descriptions. There I demonstrate some of the
ways of highlighting material.
Andrew
From: audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Rick USA
Sent: Wednesday, 26 August 2020 10:45 AM
To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Audio Selection Question
Hi Andrew:
Do you start playing then hit left bracket about where you want selection to
start and then hit space bar to stop playback leaving the edit cursor say at
the beginning of the recording being edited.
Then use shift+control+right to back the left bracket to where you want the
finished start point.
Or
Start playing, hit left bracket, continue playing and hit right bracket
where you want the end of selection and then hit spacebar to stop playback
and adjust the 2 brackets using those same commands?
Will the edit cursor get in the road of trying to play the adjusted
selection using the space bar or should I ensure it is out of the way of the
bracket movements or do something else?
Is this how you do precise adjustments?
Rick USA
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From: Andrew Downie
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 6:58 PM
To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Audio Selection Question
Hi Rick
I keep threatening to do an audio tutorial on such matters and today just
may be the day. Given my tedious editing and intervening commitments, it
still may be a little way off. Meanwhile I trust the following will bring
some clarity.
Firstly to extending selection. Shift+left arrow increases selection to the
left, shift+control+right arrow decreases selection on the left, shift+right
arrow increases selection on the right and shift+control+left arrow reduces
selection on the right. Importantly, the amount of change will depend on
zoom level. If zoomed in, pressing – say – shift+left arrow once will make
very little difference. On the other hand, once press when zoomed out will
make a big difference. Zoom in with repeated presses of control+1 and zoom
out with repeated presses of control+3. Control+2 gives you normal zoom.
Keep those commands in mind when we get to scrubbing. In my experience the
zoom level is a very mobile feast. Therefore do not assume that it will be
at the same level each time you open Audacity. File length probably makes a
difference, apart from anything else.
Because of the inexact nature of those commands for extending and
contracting a selection, I do not use them much. My preference is to press
one of the square bracket keys and make the adjustment precisely. Also see
other options below.
You mentioned that scrubbing does not work as expected, but you did not say
what you expected. Pressing I will scrub forwards and pressing u will scrub
backwards. Scrubbing will start from wherever the cursor is situated and
any highlighting will be removed. Scrubbing speed will be determined by
zoom level. Therefore zoom in when making precise edits. Unlike Reaper,
you cannot scrub when playing.
Two commands that work very nicely in conjunction with scrubbing are Store
Cursor Position and Cursor to Stored Cursor Position. They are both in the
Select Menu. They provide more flexibility than highlighting with the
square bracket keys. Press alt+s, i to store the cursor position. Then use
whatever methods you prefer, including scrubbing, to move to a second
position and press alt+s, c. That will create the selection.
Let us know if that clarifies things.
Andrew
From: audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Rick USA
Sent: Wednesday, 26 August 2020 12:44 AM
To: Audacity4blind <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [audacity4blind] Audio Selection Question
Hi:
When I use the [ and ] to specify a selection and then use the move end keys
like shift + left arrow or other keys, sometimes they work and sometimes
they don’t seem to work.
Also, Scrubbing is confusing and I couldn’t get it to work as expected.
I wanted to delete some audio and make it sound seamless so tried using the
above tools but sometimes the play, spacebar, started where expected but
after using the expand the start bracket playback never moved left but just
started wherever it started before attempting to move the start [ left, one
time it did work a couple of other times it did not work.
Scrubbing also is confusing since you do not seem to scrub from a marker
like [ or ] but using what? A single cursor position?
Is there a nice tutorial on using these tools other than the abstract in the
main documentation for blind users? Perhaps some demos on Youtube or
someplace?
I was able to use the Reaper tools but that program is massively complicated
for what I want to do so came back to try Audacity now that I know what some
of the technical terms mean and how some features like scrubbing are used
during editing.
Thanks For Any Pointers:
Rik USA
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