If the problem is as Elon says the formation of solid LOX in the
liner, covering the tanks with something so that there isn't LOX in
contact with the liner would fix that.
On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 10:44 PM, Andrew Burns <burns.andrew@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The problem isn't necessarily a compatibility of the carbon and epoxy with
the LOX in a static sense because they've flown many of these rockets with
that contact happening without problem. The problem arises when the pressure
vessel fails in some way at which point the flammability of the carbon/epoxy
doesn't matter because the energy stored in the COPV is enough to destroy
the tank anyway and no PTFE liner in the world is going to stop the chunks
of pressure vessel ripping the LOX tank to pieces.
The problem is that their press system is failing at all, which is probably
in large part due to the extreme environment it encounters inside the LOX
tank and I'd wager they wouldn't have had these issues with the same tanks
but located outside of the LOX tank. It will probably come down to some
level of lack of understanding to the behaviour of extremely highly stressed
composite-metal structures undergoing significant thermal cycling.
Andrew
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:36 PM, Ben Brockert <wikkit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 10:30 PM, William Valliant <wnvalliant@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
About the cryogenic tank, what about spun formed stainless steel 304
liner
with carbon fiber over wrap for the oxygen? Isn't that what they are
already
doing?
The COPVs in question are inside the LOX tank, so the carbon fiber
overwrap (and the matrix) are the side that's in contact with the LOX
and is the problem because they're fuels. Their existing liner is
probably aluminum, and there's no big upside to switching to
stainless.
I'll wager they've thought about covering the tanks with something
like PTFE film.
They have to make something work, the tanks on the BFR are supposed to
be linerless carbon fiber, which is the same problem but even worse,
in terms of surface area made of fuel in contact with LOX.
Ben
