Thanks for you answer. The fact is that the ColorMunki gives me different values each time I calibrate and use it again. Probably if I want better result I should get a more consistent instrument. Have you got any experience with the ColorMunki. Is it normal that, after I calibrate or disconnect the instrument, I can get a*b* values from -1 -1 to +1 +1? I am using the ColorMunki software to get the L*a*b* values (ColorMunki Photo ColorPicker). The paper white of the paper (from the producer) is L=96.3 a=1.1 b=-6.8. I think that there are OBAs inside, and what I get with the ColorMunki is a paper withe value of 95, -0.8, -0.8 Anyway I am happy for the achieved results; the prints are the better I could get from this paper. I am probably looking from something (a*b* values close to 0 in BW) that is not possible for my actual instrument. Vittorio > Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 19:23:13 +1100 > From: graeme@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > To: argyllcms@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [argyllcms] Re: Gamut mapping not-monotonic > > Vittorio Villani wrote: > > The BW seems to be more problematic.I made some measurement with the > > ColorMunki (same > > hardware used for the profile). I did 3 measurements for each value to be > > sure that the > > reading was correct. I will report the medium value. > > > > For black point (L*a*b* values in the file 0 0 0) I have an a* value of > > about -1; L*and > > b* are close to what I expected (4,2 and -0.2). For a grey point (L*a*b* > > values 52 0 0 > > 0 in the file) I have 48.9 -0,8 -0.6. So what it seems that BW is a little > > bit green > > and not neutral. > > That's a delta E of 1. That's pretty good. Many would say it is excellent. > > In any case, the neutrality will be judged visually in comparison to the > paper white. What is the paper a* b* ? > > How are you testing it ? If you are measuring it and using the measurement > values, > then you need to be feeding your target L*a*b* values into the absolute > colorimetric > B2A table. Naturally you won't get the target values if they are out of gamut. > Is that what you're doing ? > > Graeme Gill. >