The stuff Brent was doing last fall (?) was certainly headed in the right direction. However, for a dummy like me the aids have to be better. What I envision is something that prompts you with all the legal options for the next move; and then gives feedback as you program line by line which requires pretty good interaction with the parser, etc. I can program moves which I think make perfect sense and they won't work. Hours of work just to get around a square is not reasonable. Besides I can program the simple stuff in G-code in a few minutes. However, good surfaces would be really nice. Because that is something that really can't be done by hand. Getting a ball end cutter on the right path is non-simplistic. I'm getting better with Synergy but that doesn't help the average Joe struggling to raise a family. Been there, done that. Anyone heard a squeak out of Dan re' the packages he was playing with? Dave