This message was posted by Marcelle on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?/topic/3/721.html#000001 In DS version 9 Pro + when I save to PES version 4 the tie in/off's are lost. I have not tried PES version 6 though. Not sure what the PES versions are up to now but the version number might have something to do with it. I have even tried the 'always' setting and it still loses them. I recently purchased Wilcom but haven't learned it yet so I don't know about a comparison with it. Wilcom is enough up to date that it does handle larger designs for jef and a few other formats that have increased hoop sizes in recent years. I have Embird and just tested an exp design and it kept all of the jump and stop codes. The instructions say when tie in/off is applied they are automatically inserted with each jump and stop code. If your customer has any PEDesign software with their 6 needle machine they might be able to insert the codes using that. I am anxious to hear what everyone says about this since I am having the same problem. =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================