This message was posted by Juli in Kona on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/ultimatebb.php?/topic/1/89.html#000003 These hats are not you normal "visor". They are sun shades with a huge brim. A normal hat, from the center seam out to the edge of the brim is 2 3/4", This Sun shade is 4". And the normal measurement of the brim from side to side measuring right at the seam, is about 8", The Sun shade is 16.5". So I can hoop it; it's just that I am having a terrible time actually attaching the hoop to the machine. Just no room for the brimand I can't see what I'm doing. =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================