I'd just like to welcome Sajid to the list. Here's some more urls for manuals and stuff you might find useful. I didn't save your email the other day: This site is very good got lots of stuff to do with different programming languages and linax and java and all that. http://teddy.fcc.ro/ and this site is ok: http://www.blindprogramming.com/ k, chow, Shaq Licenced To Chill ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com