[access-uk] Re: initial comments on window-eyes beta

  • From: "Brian Hartgen" <brian@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 06:52:49 +0100

Hi Steve

Great, I will check that option out in verbosity.

I will check later when I log onto the exchange server, but I think as a sighted person you can see more than one calendar. I know for a fact you can see a local and an exchange calendar together, and I am almost certain you can see two exchange calendars. There are check boxes which can be checked to determine whose calendar can be seen. If you could not do that, how could you see at a glance which of your colleagues was busy and which was not? How would you get a visual overview of that? As I say, I will double check because I haven't looked precisely at that functionality for a couple of years now. Certainly with screen-reading though we could not do that so it doesn't matter too much from our perspective.

But returning to this particular situation, when I am viewing the calendar on the exchange server, I am viewing one shared calendar with no local calendars open. So it ought to be working.

Thanks again.

Brian Hartgen

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 10:59 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: initial comments on window-eyes beta



Hi Brian,

To turn off the WE chattiness in the calendar, take a look at the
Miscellaneous option in Verbosity.  Specifically, the Include Listview
Headers radio buttons.  Set this to off, and bye bye chattiness.

I don't know why your Outlook problems with the hotkeys persist, it is
working perfectly on all three of my machines.

I also don't know the answer to your Exchange problem with calendars, except
I believe that Outlook, all flavours, only allows you to view one calendar,
so WE has to pick one of them. For example, you can't view multiple shared
calendars, even as a sighted person. This could be the cause of the
problem.


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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Brian Hartgen
Sent: 21 October 2006 20:48
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] initial comments on window-eyes beta


Hi

Following Graham's comments earlier on in the week relating to the
announcement of the new Window-Eyes public beta, I thought having worked
with it a little today I would share with list members my initial thoughts.


There is undoubtedly a lot of good things in this release especially with
regard to support for Internet Explorer 7, and I think GW have done their
usual excellent job in this area as they always have.

I think their PowerPoint support is superb. I presented Window-Eyes with
some slides containing both text and photographs, and it not only did a
fantastic job at reading out the information in all of the panes, but of
course in the Slide show view as well. Window-Eyes was also very good at
letting me know information pertaining to picture dimensions for example and
whether or not the slide would fit onto the screen. The downside to that is
there is no way of reviewing the dimension information at a slower pace.


Unfairly I feel, some people who love Window-Eyes claim that its chief
rival, JAWS for Windows, has many bugs when a version is initially released
or indeed when it is in public beta. No software package is perfect, either
mainstream or specialist, and accepting for the moment that W E is in beta,
it does have some problems.


For example, when viewing the shared calendar on our exchange server,
Window-Eyes insists I am not in the calendar when I use GW's new hot key for
accessing their calendar support (Insert+C). Now I have to say that, by
default, JAWS does not accurately read our shared calendar out of the box
either, but with a lot of scripting on my part it now responds perfectly in
every way. But of course I have the facilities to do that with jaws.


However, undoubtedly the support for local calendars within Window-Eyes is
good as they have created a "special" dialog box for us so that the calendar
can be viewed to its fullest extent. One can select to view by day, week,
month and can have access to a multitude of viewing options including the
ability to determine blocks of free time. The dialog comes with the usual
Window-Eyes over-chattiness though. For example, if you do check the box
relating to announcing blocks of free time, as you arrow down Window-Eyes
insists on first reading out the day and the date followed by the word
"subject" followed by whether free time exists. This is also the kind of
information you receive when you arrow down the list view to obtain
appointments and I would love to know if there is a way of filtering that
"verbal clutter" out.


In Microsoft Outlook, I am unable to get Window-Eyes to read or focus upon
any of the fields with the ALT+1 through to 7 keystrokes which either read
or focus upon different fields, such as the subject or attachments field. I
don't know why that is, but I do have the very latest service packs for
Office 2000 and 2003 on several computers and I get the same results. I
figure it must be something I am doing wrong or misunderstanding because I
am sure a feature which is prominently advertised would be able to work even
slightly.


As for context sensitive help information relative to an application, I
personally cannot see any. Pressing the new control shift question mark
keystroke gives me the ability to add help information myself, but as far as
I can see there is no context sensitive help information for new users to
specific application controls.


Those are just some initial comments as I say, and are just restricted to
the areas I have tested today on several machines with different versions of
Office installed. I will be equally vocal to GW Micro in terms of the
difficulties I have found, as only then can they put problems right if we
tell them about those difficulties. I shall also be praiseworthy where
appropriate. But I thought list members may be interested in reading these
findings.


Brian Hartgen

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