Go for the blindapples one Alexander though I have to admit while I have been around on lists, I have not come across anyone using the zoom either with iOS devices or Mac. I am not sure if the UK list has survived. I think Chris Halsworth and Hannah Day were running it but the international/american is good too though be warned about heavy traffic. Eleanor ----- Original Message ----- From: Alexander Shannon To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 3:49 PM Subject: [access-uk] a quick e-mail list query. Hi all, For reasons I won't go into in detail here, I have recently switched from using a Samsung S4 to using an IPhone 5C. As someone who is registered blind but does have some residual vision, I try to use both speech and magnification together when and where possible, so I am wondering which of the Apple related lists would be the best to join. Someone did suggest the I-devices list but I don't have the subscription details for that, and when looking on www.whitestick.co.uk I only found a couple of lists dealing with Apple products and only one of those seemed to be UK related. If anyone could point me in the direction of the most appropriate list I would appreciate it. Thank you in advance for your replies. Alexander Shannon