[access-uk] Re: The Beyo & The I-pal
- From: "tony sweeney" <deirton711@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:53:28 -0000
Hi Jackie,
Didn't mean to provide you with the opportunity of a free ad!! (smile)
I have a flatbed scanner, K100 but I'm thinking more of those scanners which
are "camera-mounted".
Should you ever be selling such a product then surely do let me know.
Thanks
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: Jackie Cairns
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:18 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: The Beyo & The I-pal
Hi Tony
We don't sell the I-Pal, so you would be best to contact Humanware about its
progress.
We sell K-Reader for the phone which, as I have said, might not be your best
option for book scanning. But we can also offer SARA (Scan And Read
Appliance), which is a table-top stand-alone device that would scan books very
well.
And, if you want to use a scanner on your PC, there are also K1000 or Open
Book OCR packages.
It's nice that there are now several options to choose from on the market.
Please feel free to contact me off list if I can help with any of our
products.
Jackie Cairns
Braille Specialist
Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sight and Sound Technology Ltd
Welton House North Wing
Summerhouse Road
Moulton Park
Northampton
NN3 6WD
Tel: 01604 798024
Mob: 07887 883815
www.sightandsound.co.uk
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
tony sweeney
Sent: 21 December 2009 11:04
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] The Beyo & The I-pal
Hi Jackie,
Thanks for that url and your thoughts of The Beyo.
I wonder what is the story now with The I-pal and it's associate readers?
I liked the Ipal when I had it demoed to me but was hoping that the voice
would be improved in the near future
and/or that the price may drop or that a newer model come along!
I have heard or come across nothing of it in a while.
Wonder if you or anyone else can shed any light on the matter ffor us?-----
Original Message -----
From: Jackie Cairns <mailto:jackie.cairnsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 4:01 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: [bcab] Re: trial of KNFB reader
Hi Tony
You could go to
www.comproom.co.uk
And download it with some documentation from there, but I honestly don't
think this software is for reading books. It is pretty good, but I don't
think there is a true replacement for PC scanning with OCR software like
K1000 or Open Book. Beyo and K-Reader are good for finding out what your
document is, and K-Reader certainly appends text and saves it for later
retrieval. But I'd never scan a book on either of them, and that's my
honest opinion.
Kind Regards,
J
Jackie Cairns
jackie.cairnsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
tony sweeney
Sent: 20 December 2009 15:57
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: [bcab] Re: trial of KNFB reader
Hi Jackie,
I am still in the market for purchasing a suitable Reader!
Do you have an url for the Beyo?
Wonder how it manages with books?
Thanks
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: Jackie Cairns <mailto:jackie.cairnsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 10:51 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: [bcab] Re: trial of KNFB reader
Guys,
I'm cross-posting this to both lists as people have discussed it on
Access
UK and BCAB.
Tris was in the office on Friday, and had a copy of BeyoCBS on his
N86, so
let me have a play around with the software. I must admit I was
impressed
for two reasons:
Firstly, I loved the idea of the beeps that helped me to align the
camera to
the document I was wishing to scan. It was really interesting how
this
worked, and then took a picture automatically once I got a
continuous tone,
I really did like that feature and wish K-Reader had it as part of
its
software.
Secondly, I personally thought the text was quite accurate. I
didn't rate
the voice that much, and there is a bit of interaction with Talks
that needs
sorting out. But it was certainly much better than I had expected.
So, given the short time I spent with it, what's my verdict? Could
be
improved upon to take account of Talks being present, and use of a
better
synthesiser, but very good for 75 quid. I still love K-Reader
though, but
Beyo is an alternative worth considering for anyone who finds
K-Reader out
of their price range.
I can't comment on Textscout as I haven't seen it, and am not in
favour of
the server idea for the reasons people have outlined already.
Kind Regards,
J
Jackie Cairns
jackie.cairnsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf
Of Ibrahim Gucukoglu
Sent: 18 December 2009 08:59
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bcab] Re: trial of KNFB reader
Hi Steve.
Well, I think I'll be plonking for Beyo for the time being, I doubt
I'll
ever be able to afford KNFB or TextScout, especially as TextScout is
going
to be more expensive given the price in Euros roughly equates to
£810. How
have you found beyo's interaction with talks? You can scroll, copy
and
paste the text, but can you read the text using talks and a Braille
display?
Perhaps if you haven't tried it you should give it a go.
All the best, Ibrahim.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Nutt <mailto:steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 8:50 AM
Subject: [bcab] Re: trial of KNFB reader
Hi Ibrahim,
I have both here, and I can tell you that TS certainly does win for
accuracy, though its real downside is if you don't have a signal,
whether
you have a data plan or not, it ain't going anywhere. It does read
more
difficult print much better than KNFB though. It also decolumnises
better,
for example when you read newspapers. But the real biggie for me,
is that
it allows you to read text with Talks, if you set it to external
screen
reader. It is not completely accessible with Talks, that is to say
the
menus etc are still spoken by the inbuilt TTS, but the actual text
can be
interrogated with Talks, which means we can get Braille output too.
By the way, I do sell KNFB, but I am only speaking as a consumer
here, not with my CRS hat on. I don't sell TS yet, but am hoping to
soon.
This is also not an attempt to take anything away from KNFB, it was
here
first, as OCR packages go, and is still a great product.
All the best
Steve
From: bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Ibrahim Gucukoglu
Sent: Tuesday 15 December 2009 13:29
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bcab] Re: trial of KNFB reader
Hi.
Well, I've personally never tried TextScout, but I understand that
it has a higher recognition accuracy than the almighty KNFB reader
not to
mention a smaller memory and installation footprint. OK, so the
image is
processed remotely, but I'll tell you now that if it were a choice
between
KNFB and TextScout, based on what I've heard and read, TS wins hands
down
not least because I have an unlimited data package with generally
good
mobile coverage.
All the best, Ibrahim.
----- Original Message -----
From: Graham Page <mailto:gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 1:18 PM
Subject: [bcab] Re: trial of KNFB reader
interesting. this seems absolute madness to me. I don't
want text scout because it is even more expensive than KNFB though I
realise
that scanned image is recognised remotely. I just don't understand
how
companies can be so arrogant as to not even let people try their
software
before buying it when the buyer is expected to pay so much money for
the
product. I was hoping to do some tests of KNFB reader alongside
Beyo CBS
and took it for granted that there would be a trial of KNFB reader
but I was
not looking in the right place.
Regards
Graham
Graham Page
Home Phone: 0207 265 9493
Mobile: 07753 607980
Fax: 0870 706 2773
Email: gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
MSN: gabriel_mcbird@xxxxxxxxxxx
Skype: gabriel_mcbird
----- Original Message -----
From: Ibrahim Gucukoglu <mailto:ibrahim_gucukoglu@xxxxxxxx>
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 1:04 PM
Subject: [bcab] Re: trial of KNFB reader
Hi Graham.
No trial is available for KNF\B, though you might like to
try TextScout which is an up and coming alternative. You can get a
trial
from www.textscout.eu.
All the best, Ibrahim.
----- Original Message -----
From: Graham Page <mailto:gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 12:43 PM
Subject: [bcab] trial of KNFB reader
Hi all.
I have been playing with Beyo cbs reader and found
it promissing though accuracy has not been great. I thought it may
be this
could be to do with my technique of reading.
Given the price difference I would expect Beyo CBS
reader to be less accurate but I couldn't find a trial of KNFB
reader.
There must be one surely. No one would spend the best part of £700
without
being able to try something first, surely. It is not really
economically
that viable for resellers such as Sight & Sound to visit anyone who
may just
want a demo out of curiosity so is there a trial version available?
Regards
Graham
Graham Page
Home Phone: 0207 265 9493
Mobile: 07753 607980
Fax: 0870 706 2773
Email: gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
MSN: gabriel_mcbird@xxxxxxxxxxx
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