Hi Damon, It's not happening for me yet, but if it does, I won't complain. Menus that don't wrap are much more manageable, if you have no feedbac. So just hold down the down arrow for a few seconds, and you'll be at the bottom, then go up. You have the same effect. All the best Steve From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Damon Rose Sent: Monday 17 May 2010 10:40 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Sky + menu change Hi. Has anyone else noticed the Sky + menu wrap change or is it just me? To get to the Sky+ planner, you hit TV Guide then the green button and you're on the menu of programmes you've recorded (and that are waiting to record) The cursor is at the top of the list but what I tend to do at this stage is to arrow upwards to get to the bottom of the list where I can find the programmes I've most recently recorded. It seems that the new software change, on my box at least, has stopped you from being able to arrow upwards. You can now only arrow downwards. For a blind user who gets no speech feedback, this makes it more difficult as you could find yourself fighting your way through dozens and dozens of programmes before you get to the programme you want. On the slightly good news front, I should add that I've found if you arrow down and down and down without thinking, when you hit the bottom you stay at the bottom and so can arrow back upwards to find the latest programmes. i.e. when you arrow down to the bottom, it doesn't wrap round to the top again so that at least is helpful and you won't have to keep a count or a list of programmes you've recorded so you can keep track. Or something. .Damon Damon Rose Senior Content Producer bbc.co.uk/ouch BBC Vision Learning Tel: 020 8752 4427 (x0224427) email: damon.rose@xxxxxxxxx Have you heard the award-winning Ouch Podcast yet? A razor sharp disability talk show presented by Mat Fraser and Liz Carr: <file:///\\www.bbc.co.uk\ouch\podcast> www.bbc.co.uk/ouch/podcast http://www.bbc.co.uk This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this.