A problem with the spare battery aproach is that if you do not always need it you will find it looses charge and it therefore does not go through the more natural charge-discharge cycle which even with modern batteries can shorten their expected life. Quite apart from that if you have forgotton to charge that spare and really do need it you are up the creek. I think there is a very real conundrum with us having the one device that claims to do it all but doesn't have the battery to realistically do it and the N95 original is a prime example of that problem even though it is a splendid phone cum music player. Regards. Tristram Llewellyn tristram.llewellyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Technical Support Sight and Sound Technology -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 12:25 PM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: New battery technology Hi Graham, What about that little thing called a spare battery? I do most things on my N95, and just carry a spare battery with me at all times. I get two days out the N95, so the spare is not often needed but there if it is. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Graham Page Sent: 21 December 2007 14:06 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: New battery technology I would certainly agree that battery life is one of the things really holding portable technology back at the moment. The PDA has not taken off in a really big way because battery life is just too limited. If you have a smart phone that can play music, act as a PDA or even laptop with a keyboard attached and maybe a music player and DAB receiver as well this is great on the surface as less devices are needed. However of course the battery just lets you down. I certainly look forward to a time when longer lasting batteries will mean that all in one devices could be a reality, though whether a mobile phone and a DAB radio should be put in the same box is questionable due to interference problems I suppose. cheers Graham Graham Page Home Phone: 0207 265 9493 Mobile: 07753 607980 Fax: 0870 706 2773 Email: gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx MSN: gabriel_mcbird@xxxxxxxxxxx Skype: gabriel_mcbird ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren Brewer" <darren.m.brewer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 1:32 PM Subject: [access-uk] New battery technology Hi All. Below is a small article about new developments in battery technology that may interest some list members. It's a bit technical so if you're not bothered, hit delete now. New nano wire battery holds 10 times the charge of existing ones. The new version, developed through research led by Yi Cui, assistant professor of materials science and engineering, produces 10 times the amount of electricity of existing lithium-ion, known as Li-ion, batteries. A laptop that now runs on battery for two hours could operate for 20 hours, a boon to ocean-hopping business travelers. "It's not a small improvement," Cui said. "It's a revolutionary development." The greatly expanded storage capacity could make Li-ion batteries attractive to electric car manufacturers. Cui suggested that they could also be used in homes or offices to store electricity generated by rooftop solar panels. "Given the mature infrastructure behind silicon, this new technology can be pushed to real life quickly," Cui said. The electrical storage capacity of a Li-ion battery is limited by how much lithium can be held in the battery's anode, which is typically made of carbon. Silicon has a much higher capacity than carbon, but also has a drawback. Silicon placed in a battery swells as it absorbs positively charged lithium atoms during charging, then shrinks during use (i.e., when playing your iPod) as the lithium is drawn out of the silicon. This expand/shrink cycle typically causes the silicon (often in the form of particles or a thin film) to pulverize, degrading the performance of the battery. Cui's battery gets around this problem with nanotechnology. The lithium is stored in a forest of tiny silicon nanowires, each with a diameter one-thousandth the thickness of a sheet of paper. The nanowires inflate four times their normal size as they soak up lithium. But, unlike other silicon shapes, they do not fracture. Research on silicon in batteries began three decades ago. Candace Chan, a graduate student of Cui, explained: "The people kind of gave up on it because the capacity wasn't high enough and the cycle life wasn't good enough. And it was just because of the shape they were using. It was just too big, and they couldn't undergo the volume changes." Then, along came silicon nanowires. "We just kind of put them together," Chan said. For their experiments, Chan grew the nanowires on a stainless steel substrate, providing an excellent electrical connection. "It was a fantastic moment when Candace told me it was working," Cui said. Cui said that a patent application has been filed. He is considering formation of a company or an agreement with a battery manufacturer. Manufacturing the nanowire batteries would require "one or two different steps, but the process can certainly be scaled up," he added. "It's a well understood process." The breakthrough is described in detail in a paper, "High-performance lithium battery anodes using silicon nanowires," published online Dec. 16 in Nature Nanotechnology, written by Cui, his graduate chemistry student Candace Chan and five others. Also contributing to the paper in Nature Nanotechnology were Halin Peng and Robert A. 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