[access-uk] Re: MS Publisher and Jaws
- From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 20:07:39 +0100
Kirsten, don't know where you got the impression MS products are generally so
accessable in their entirety as you seem to be saying, even with JAWS! (smile)
I'm only offering these thoughts as someone who has worked on magazine stuff
with
a Publisher user. I'm aware too though that many totally blindpeople might not
really appreciate how complex DTP can get.
Don't get me wrong, MS has recently done much more in the accessability of its
products, and Office 2007 should be generally very accessable from what I'm
hearing, not least because of work with screen reader vendersvendors.
When it comes to Publsher though, and anything to do with page layout, it is
expecting a lot and maybe the impossible too, that Publisher can be accessable
or
usable to someone with no sight. Maybe, and just maybe, if manipulation of text
frames were all that one wanted to do, then something could be done. However,
DTP
is about more than text frames: you have graphical objects, pictures, Wordart
objects and a good deal else. Also, these are often overlaid one on top of
another for visual appeal.
By the way, I am not saying a blind person cannot work collabroatievly in
contributing to Publisher documents using Word and Word itself can get to be
pretty Publisher like in the appearance of some documents that can be produced
using Word's very advanced formatting and graphical facilities. Problems can
arrise though when, in the final Publisher layout someone decides they want to
change something, either in the actual text, or the formatting. Reflecting
these
changes back to the originator who is using Word can be problematic if the
Publisher user isn't used to extracting text and saving it as Word documents.
(Not all Publisher users are necessarily knowledgable in this area.)
I have a bit of sight and I've enjoyed using publisher for flyers, designing CD
covers and labels and the like, but I boggle at the thought of trying to explain
this, let alone tell a blind person, how to do it.
From Ray
I can be contacted off-list at:
mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
Kirsten Edmondson
Sent: 28 October 2006 7:44PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Publisher and Jaws
I can't believe that it isn't accessible! I just can't! I mean I was under the
impression that you could rely on MS products to be useable with Jaws!
Urghgh!
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray's Home
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 5:31 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Publisher and Jaws
Although I'm not a JFW user, I very much doubtwhether even the most
tallented
scripting magicians have tackled Publisher.
Publisher, and other DTP layout programs are by their nature very hard, even
impossible, for blind users to get any real grip on, although it wouldn't
surprise
me if some one were to pop up and say "I've done that!"
To my limited knowledge the closest blind users get to visual layout
manipulation is probably PowerPoint, which all three of the big screen readers
handle now - including Window-Eyes in beta6 - in case you've missed that bit of
ongoing publicity!
From Ray
I can be contacted off-list at:
mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
Kirsten Edmondson
Sent: 28 October 2006 4:56PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] MS Publisher and Jaws
Is there any way of using MS publisher (part of Office 2003) with Jaws
(v7)?
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