Thought those here might like to read this forwarded from the Dolphin users' list. What Paul has to say I guess would go for the other screen readers too. HTH. Ray Personal emails: Email me at mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Holliman" Hi Guys! Happy Easter to one and all - hope you're not getting chocolate all over your keyboards/braille displays!! Have just been catching up with the Adobe thread and thought I'd offer a couple of tips that I've been finding as I use Adobe 7 extensively to read PDF documents with Sn. Adam posted a tip on this list some weeks ago, and his comments prompted me to experiment with the reader a bit with documents with which I was having some difficulty. I'm assuming that you've already let the accessibility stuff do its thing with a document when you first open it and that you find that it doesn't read correctly in Auto VF. 1. From the Help menu, go to the Accessibility Assistant. Normally, the Adobe default is to deliver the document to the screen reader as "preferred reading order recommended". Try changing this to "left to right, top to bottom". If you remember, Adam did warn us that by doing that, we'll lose field names in forms etc so don't set it as your preferences default, but if your document is a plain book such as a user manual, I've found that the reading order often gets sorted out properly. 2. In many cases, I've found it best to tell Adobe 7 to deliver the entire document instead of just the single page. This has worked particularly well for me when I've wanted to scroll around a large document quickly and use Document Read on a section of the document. 3. In the Accessibility Assistant, there is a checkbox called something like "override tagged documents" which by default is unticked. The impression I get from a friend who is an expert in Adobe publishing is that, if the author has correctly used tags, we wouldn't want to override these as they describe the structure of the document which Sn can then take advantage of. But if the tags haven't been correctly implemented, or not implemented at all, I have found that on occasions it has produced better results to tick this checkbox thereby choosing to override tagging. In summary, therefore, always remember that the settings you use need to be on a document by document basis I'm afraid. I know many would love to blame Adobe (smile), but often the results depend on how the author has created the document, so you have to be willing to do a bit of fiddling at times to get best results. Having said all this, I have to say that I'm generally getting much better results from Adobe 7 with Sn than I was using previous versions with the accessibility plug-ins. Paul. ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq