Thanks Vince - I changed the subject line as we've now moved away from Cobalt compasses - Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Vince Thacker To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 3:30 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Cobolt compass, beware Andy, Android, as I understand it, started off as its own company, but is now part of Google. Vince. ----- Original Message ----- From: ANDY COLLINS To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 3:11 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Cobolt compass, beware Hi Steve - I'm still with the N82 [I know I know <smile>] My intention when I next go for a phone, was to probably go the IPhone route, but have to say, I don't like the size and shape of it so much. Guess I need to find out what the differences are between it, and Android models. I'm a bit behind with the latest mobile market. Are Androids the manufacturor name, as with Nokia? Or is Android the OS produced by Google? - Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Nutt To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 8:31 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Cobolt compass, beware Hi Andy, I've never seen the Cobolt compass, but I do this on my mainstream Android phone <Smile>. All the best Steve -- Computer Room Services 77 Exeter Close Stevenage Hertfordshire SG1 4PW Tel: 01438-742286 Mob: 07956334938 Fax: 01438-759589 Email: steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Web: http://www.comproom.co.uk From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ANDY COLLINS Sent: 15 July 2012 22:42 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Cobolt compass, beware Hi all - Another waste of dosh! I think I paid about £35 for this, and it's a load of rubbish. My experience with it, found it to be both inaccurate and unpredictable. Like many things produce for blind people, it is also very ugly, and cheap looking/feeling. I'm not just banging the old drum of complaint against equipment produced for the blind. In fact, it saddens me to find yet again the same experience, of over-priced [but I do understand the niche market equals fewer sales argument] ugly build, hardly fit for purpose, assistive equipment. I always try to buy where I can, mainstream equipment, and figure out how to get the best from it, but sometimes, mainstream can be too non-accessible, and I am forced to go to the so-called specialists. It truly gives me no pleasure in bringing to the attention of the list this poor piece of specialist equipment, but I think we need to keep shouting for equality in product performance, reliability, and aesthetic appeal. I don't want big clunky stuff in my pockets, or around my house, just because it can talk, or give me some other kind of additional feedback. As I have said before on this list, the PTR1 was the most over-priced, mal-functioning, hugely ugly piece of junk, I've ever wasted 600 quid on. Sadly, I've wasted 35 on a useless compass, that thinks North is wherever it fancies, on any given day - Andy