[acbny-l] Re: Fw: Candidates' Debates Begin
- From: "Howard Smith" <hsmith1981@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <acbny-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:36:52 -0400
I'm aware of the fact that you mention, but made the point that for instance
when the Help America Vote Act was a bill, the president didn't ask all
American's to stand and be counted. It was the Senators and House members
that did it for us. Now do those members not listen to their constituents?
They do get a certain number of calls and could base their decision on that.
From what you guys are saying, the NFB never has anything but Unanimous
votes and that's just not a fact.
The two organizations vote differently and better is in the eye of the
beholder. Again, I'm sure convention time could be put to better use than
counting thousands of votes.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mann, Jean" <Jean.Mann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <acbny-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 10:33 AM
Subject: [acbny-l] Re: Fw: Candidates' Debates Begin
> Actually Howard, every member who attends a convention does get to vote on
> everything. We take voice votes on all resolutions and constitutional
> amendments, and if they are too close to call, we do a roll call vote.
> First there is a standing vote, with sighted people actually counting
> everyone standing in the room, and then we do a vote where each affiliate
> has so many votes depending on the number of people in that affiliate. We
> do roll call votes for all elections. I think the reason we consider
> ourselves to be3 more democratic is partly because of the way votes are
> taken, and because any member is free to stand up and speak for or against
> anything. Any member can submit a resolution and it will be brought to
the
> floor. And you don't have to worry about being expelled or ostracized for
> not going along with the powers at be. And if you don't like the powers
at
> be, you have the right to run or vote against them. Are there political
> games played sometimes? Yes, I'd say so. But hey, that's part of
> politics!!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Howard Smith [mailto:hsmith1981@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 10:42 PM
> To: acbny-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [acbny-l] Re: Fw: Candidates' Debates Begin
>
>
> I listened to this debate tonight and have a question. I've heard several
> times while being on email lists of both organizations that ACB says the
NFB
> is undemocratic.
>
> I got that message from both candidates tonight and since one of them is
on
> this list I thought I would question it and also make a point.
>
> The United States government is undemocratic if the same principle is in
> place that Mike and Ardis stated. Because we the people elect
> representatives in different areas; President, Senate, Congress, State
> Senate and Assembly. These are the people who represent us in decision
> making and voting on issues. Could you imagine what government would be
> like if every citizen had a vote on every bill that passed through?
>
> I would imagine that a convention's time could be used up if 1500 to 3000
> people had to make a vote rather than a representative for each state.
>
> Maybe I'm wrong on this, but I see both organizations like the government
as
> far as representatives. It's just that it's done a bit differently. Just
> like voting in a president as oppose to a Senator. One has term limits
the
> other doesn't. Is it right or wrong or just different?
>
> I also don't see the NFB as the super Blind as there are many different
> members in that organization as there is in the ACB. Maybe a few members
> have stood out more in the media than ACB's but that's not every member.
>
> OK, start shooting at me.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank Casey" <frcasey@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "acbny acbny" <acbny-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 12:09 AM
> Subject: [acbny-l] Fw: Candidates' Debates Begin
>
>
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Below, please find an important piece of ACB convention information!
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Frank Casey
> > frcasey@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Join us on ACB Radio Mainstream this Sunday evening at 9 Eastern time,
6
> > > Pacific, for the first candidate debate of the current ACB election
> > > season. We'll be profiling the position of Treasurer, with declared
> > > candidates Ardis Bazyn and Mike Godino participating in the debate.
> > >
> > > I'll be moderating the debate, and as well as asking my own questions,
> > > you can participate as well. When the show is on live, simply dial
> > > 1-212-812-2800, and when asked to enter a conference code, please
enter
> > > 04805512.
> > >
> > > If you miss the live broadcast of the debate, it will repeat every two
> > > hours for a 24 hour period.
> > >
> > > Visit us at http://www.acbradio.org and choose the Mainstream link to
> > > listen with your player of choice.
> > >
> > > Jonathan Mosen
> > > Director
> > > ACB Radio, the voice of the Blind Community http://www.acbradio.org
MSN
> > > Messenger or mailto:jonathan@xxxxxxxxx
> > > Work Phone: +64-6-348-8127
> > > Mobile: +64-21-4Mosen, +64-21-466-736
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ************************************************************
> > > * ACB-L is maintained and brought to you as a service *
> > > * of the American Council of the Blind. *
> > > --
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: acb-l-unsubscribe@xxxxxxx
> > > For additional commands, e-mail: acb-l-help@xxxxxxx
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Other related posts:
