[Wittrs] Re: What is Analysis?
- From: "jrstern" <jrstern@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: wittrsamr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 01:32:05 -0000
--- In Wittrs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "iro3isdx" <xznwrjnk-evca@...> wrote:
>
> Let me try a different explanation. I am saying that order
> is an intellectual construct. Order is not made of matter.
> And therefore it is not human independent.
I'm not certain how strong an argument that is.
If all the universe is 4-dimensional space-time worms, then
temporal order might well be just as material as is height.
Is "height" material? Well, any material has a height, ...
and a temporal measurement in comparison to others, similarly.
--
In general, I'm much more with Stuart on this, as far as I've
lurked on your discussion. More to the point, as I have hinted,
I don't see what you look to gain by worrying about order and
whether it is "really there" or a construct.
If it's not "there", then it's something we (the agent) must
do, to be an agent, I suppose is your thinking. But I don't grant
that an agent can indubitably measure the height of what is "there",
the agent's construction is all he/she/it can have, so I can't see
worrying about the ontological status of "order".
Insofar as my computational ontology needs order for its own
function (as I suppose any ontology is going to), I'm perfectly
happy to stipulate it as an assumption, and let that fall where
it may, should anyone find a reason to care.
In summary, we might as well grant that order is "really" out there,
if it simplifies the discussion. It probably "really" really *is*
out there, anyway, whether ultimately out of reach or not.
Josh
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