I took the trouble, this morning to search out Searle on the question of what he thinks he is doing when he makes assertions about what is conceptually true, etc. --- In Wittrs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Joseph Polanik <jPolanik@...> wrote: > <snip> > you found that someone on Answers.com used 'conceptual truth' as a > substitute for 'analytic truth' and you assume that Searle is doing so > also. > > this is nothing more than a three card monte scam. you see a meaning > associated with one use of a given word and attribute it to Searle's use > of that word > > >and from his own statements made with that claim, > > are you trying to insinuate that you have some evidence from Searle's > own writings that he thinks that his claims in the third axiom are > analytically true? if so, would you quote this material? > All right, let's let Searle speak for himself on the subject of what he thinks it is to do conceptual analysis. The following excerpts are from Minds, Language and Society: p. 159: "A third feature of philosophical investigations is that they tend to be, in a broad sense, about conceptual issues. When we ask, in a philosophical tone of voice, what is truth, justice, virtue, or causation, we are not asking questions that can be answered just by having a good look at the environment or even by performing a good set of experiments on the environment. Such questions require at least an analysis of the concepts of "truth," "justice," virtue," and "cause," and this means that the examination of language is an essential tool of the philosopher, because language is the vehicle for the articulation of our concepts." [Note his understanding of philosophy as an exercise in conceptual analysis which finally boils down to questions of language -- and here he is not far from a classic late Wittgensteinian approach.] p. 160 "In this book, I have been investigating the structure and interrelations of mind, language and society -- three interlocking frameworks. The methods are not those of the empirical sciences, where one would perform experiments or at least conduct opinion surveys. The methods I employ are more adequately described, at least in the first stages, as logical or conceptual analysis. I try to find constitutive elements of consciousness, intentionality, speech acts and social institutions by taking them apart and seeing how they work. But, truth to tell, even that is a distortion of the actual methodology in practice. In practice, I use any weapon that I can lay my hands on, and I stick with any weapon that works. In studying the subjects of this book, for example, I read books ranging in subject matter from brain science to economics. Sometimes the results of the investigations are to reject the existing conceptual apparatus altogether. Thus, I claim we will not understand the relation of the mental to the physical as long as we continue to take seriously the old conceptual apparatus of dualism, monism, materialism and all the rest. Here I am proposing a conceptual revision on the grounds that the old concepts are not adequate to the facts as we can understand them, given a century of work on the brain. . . " [Note here that he explicitly rejects a metaphysical approach based on arguing for or against dualism, monism, etc. His explicit position seems to be a pox on all such houses. Unfortunately, his CRA relies on a dualist presumption and this is made somewhat clearer when we consider his argument that consciousness is ontologically IRREDUCIBLE, even while granting "causal" reducibility; thus he creates all sorts of problems by separating ontological from causal questions (a rather idiosyncratic move, it seems to me) while introducing new questions by focusing on a use of "cause" which, as we have seen, lots or people seem to have a hard time agreeing to. So one can ask whether his effort to start anew, which I generally applaud, solves very much in the end -- and this before we even get to the question of the success or failure of his CRA.] p. 161 "The aim of philosophical analysis, as in any serious theoretical study, is to get a theoretical account of the problem areas that is at the same time true, explanatory, and general. . . . Thus, my aim -- not one shared by the majority of contemporary philosophers, by the way -- has been to try to make progress toward getting an adequate general theory." [Here he diverges from the classical Wittgensteinian approach by embracing theorizing in philosophy. Frankly, I don't think he's totally wrong here since I believe many of Wittgenstein's adherents take his rejection of theorizing too far. After all, Dennett, who is at least as Wittgensteinian as Searle, and probably a good deal more so, is no less prepared to enter the theorizing lists. Why, after all, should our theories not be part of, and subject to, the same kinds of Wittgensteinian investigations as any of the other things we think and say? Theories, it seems to me, are just more comprehensive and systematic formulations than our run of the mill ideas about things and, in that sense, they are of the same stock. Given that, they are as prone to muddle and confusion as any other claims we make and cleaning them up will certainly have an impact on the theories themselves, maybe even leading to new theories in the process -- see Dennett!] SWM ========================================= Need Something? Check here: http://ludwig.squarespace.com/wittrslinks/