Chiming in briefly on an existing thread. Michael Martin's essay asks: "Is there any interpretation that makes Wittgenstein's view neither noncontroversial nor clearly wrong?" As I see it, this is the central problem with his reading: he sees both "noncontroversial" and "clearly wrong" as both being problematic interpretations. He passes over interpretations that are "either dubious or not very interesting," rejecting a straightforward reading with, "But few people would deny this," and "But who would deny that this is true...?" "Who would want to deny the thesis that some religious believers and nonbelievers talk past one another?" Perhaps Martin ought to read and really consider, take seriously, PI 89-133, especially 128. If one tried to advance theses in philosophy, it would never be possible to debate them, because everyone would agree to them. What is he really up to in making these remarks that no one would deny? That requires a much lengthier post than I have time to make, but that section of _Philosophical_Investigations_ is a good guide. J.DeMouy ========================================= Need Something? Check here: http://ludwig.squarespace.com/wittrslinks/