Reply to SWM Wittgenstein writes in his preface that his Philosophical Investigations stands against and with the Tractatus, I would like to emphasize the "WITH" part, how much of the Tratatus is in Philosophical Investigations? I don't think Wittgenstein was naive enough to think that the actual world consisted not of "things" but "facts", but how can we rationalize such a statement or truely make sense of it. Wittgenstein is one of the Godfathers of the linguistic paradigm created by figures such as Frege, Moore and Russell which was a revolt against the Absolute Idealists. Wittgenstein was a Conceptualist Idealist exemplified by the statement "The limits of my language are the limits of my world" I illerate again, I don't think Wittgenstein believed that the only thing that existed was linguistic entities and I qualify this my the use of "my world" not "the world". This is Idealist talk as in comparison to say ordinary language and idea-ist talk "I have a red idea", this kind of talk is meant to resolve contradictions as in a observation report of type "it is a round coin but it appears epllitical". So in what sense or lingo is Wittgenstein Talking? It is possible to conceive he is not talking of the world but the world of linguistic philosophy conceived by him. i.e. he has changed hats of ordinary language talk and placed on the cap of a linguistic philosopher as in contrast to say of a thereotical physicists i.e the physists talks of tables consisting of electrons and not wood or to we have two tables? one made of electrons and one made of wood, I think you see my distinction. The common mistake for realists is to think that certain types of idealists are talking about the real world instead of say a paradigm. In certain light we may conceive of Wittgenstein defining a paradigm that the realists don't understand an, example of this can be is that we can have a second reading of the Tractatus and possibly Philosopical Investigations. I think that the early statement about natural scientific statements, not scientific generalizations that he may have been eluding to is the problem of negative existentials, in that we just pass over talking of them. Brendan _________________________________________________________________ Feeling the financial pinch? Check on MSN NZ Money for a hand http://money.msn.co.nz