(reply to Brandon) This is hard to say. The question would be the same as asking: do we presume that there is more to know? Or, do we presume that more can be understood? Imagine two unsophisticated people in dispute over an assertion. One might say, "they would take the long way home." And even when they arrived home they would not realize that the way was "long." On one hand, one wants to say, "let them traverse as they like," but on another, "could they navigate the short cut, if shown?" Probably there are two ideas here. One is simply avoiding a traffic accident in language. That should be the easier task. If traffic accidents are avoided, one would not presume any need for "therapy." But then again, it depends upon what you are conversing about. There are some ideas which are especially complicated. And when people speak about them, the inability to navigate a family resemblance or conjugate a lexicon can become problematic. This is because these traits are skills. And so in that respect, one might always presume the need for some sort of assistance with grammar. Sort of in the way it is common to have assistants around when complicated tasks are undertaken. SW ----- Original Message ---- From: brendan downs <downs_brendan@xxxxxxxxxxx> Does Wittgensteins idea of therapy presuppose the idea that we are in need of therapy? WEB VIEW: http://tinyurl.com/ku7ga4 TODAY: http://alturl.com/whcf 3 DAYS: http://alturl.com/d9vz 1 WEEK: http://alturl.com/yeza GOOGLE: http://groups.google.com/group/Wittrs YAHOO: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wittrs/ FREELIST: //www.freelists.org/archive/wittrs/09-2009