--- In Wittrs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Cayuse" <z.z7@...> wrote: > Pain can't be a referent. Why? Because the only reference allowed in your philosophy are material objects? Or is it because the your feeling of pain is private and only you know it? Only you can talk about it. It as if you had a private screening. Let's say you related to me your walk in the woods. You description of the path, the trees, "real phenomena", as you put it, has a referent because I see the path, the trees. Then again, do I know I see the path and tree you see? Once you cut me off from your "inner life", that without refer, you exclude me from knowing any of your references. bruce > The fact that we /can/ imagine this entirety of the "contents of > consciousness", this "what it is like to be me", leads us into metaphysical > speculation Why metaphysical? Why not order conversation in which we share our joy and sorrow? bruce WEB VIEW: http://tinyurl.com/ku7ga4 TODAY: http://alturl.com/whcf 3 DAYS: http://alturl.com/d9vz 1 WEEK: http://alturl.com/yeza GOOGLE: http://groups.google.com/group/Wittrs YAHOO: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wittrs/ FREELIST: //www.freelists.org/archive/wittrs/09-2009