Sandy, They are both the same. I used to make them slightly different. the male version had only one clip on the bottom. From listening to customer feedback I have decided to make all the releiving harnesses the same. This is for two reasons. The presence of one or two clips on the male version doesn't seem to make much difference in functionality. Also the inclusion of both clips gives the user more versatility in use. HTH Julie http://www.livingblind.com/eml Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. Dr. Seuss ----- Original Message ----- From: <Infinitepaws@xxxxxxx> To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 1:14 PM Subject: (VICT) Julie- question on relieving harness > Julie, what is the difference between the relieving harness for the males > vs > the bitches? I would like to order one to experiment with . I dont yet > know > the identity of my next guide. > > > Sandy Foushee > Infinite Paws-Abilities Training and Service Dogs > Teamed with Alexandra Guide/Service Dog > Colorado Service/Assistance Dog Club - Trainer.- > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > >