Jerry, This is not about who has the parks to themselves. It's about who has the right to flagrantly disregard a law that exists in all the parks in the area, and let their dogs run loose to jump on other people using the trail, bark at people, frighten away the wildlife others seek, possibly going after fledglings and other wildlife like foxes, etc. Some of (maybe most of) these dogs are like maniacs when they are let go after being cooped up most of the day. If people are going to have big dogs in a suburban or city setting they need to realize that it means that they have to take responsibility for their animal despite the problems that occur. It's not just a time of day thing either. Dog walkers go out early too. You can't equate that to duck hunters killing ducks while supporting their conservation. Both of those are legal, reasonable actions. Birders are only using the parks, not violating the law that apply to them. I personally think they are a little nuts to think they can have a big dog in the city. And I'm not a dog hater - far from it. I've had dogs all my life, and gotten along fine with them. In rural areas they are fine. Sorry, but I don't think the dog people who are doing this have a leg to stand on. The only thing going their way is the lack of money for police and park authorities. More people need to speak up in protest. That's what all this is about. They are doing it here. We need to take it further if anything is to change. Maybe those taking the soft side haven't been jumped on by a n enthusiastic, muddy, wet dog. Al Warfield ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Uhlman" <flyways@xxxxxxxxx> To: <va-richmond-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 2:44 PM Subject: [va-richmond-general] Re: Dogs and parks Margaret-- Hey, but did you have a great trip?! Are you going to put on a RAS program showing all the great birds you saw? Forget about the dogs...spring is here and we're getting great birds though our backyards and parks. All the dog-averse birders need to chill out a bit. We need to co-exist with dog owners who enjoy the companionship of their pets, and hunters who kill various duck species but pay for wetland preservation. Who are we, as birders, to think that we have exclusive ownership of local parks?! Our local parks are also used by walkers, hikers, dog-walkers, birders, soccer-players, basketball-players, picnickers, and other nature-lovers who want a respite from urban grind. Cheers. Glad to see that you're back safe and sound...did you get great birds? I'll bet. Jerry Uhlman flyways@xxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: va-richmond-general-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:va-richmond-general-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Heron329@xxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:58 AM To: va-richmond-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [va-richmond-general] Re: Dogs and parks I just returned from New Zealand, and this is a problem there, too. I was at a remote wildlife reserve, and there were signs everywhere that no dogs were allowed. Despite this, there was a couple that brought a large dog, and let him off the leash on the beach with the penguins. There was a huge sea lion on the beach who would have has this dog for lunch if it had gotten close enough! Margaret O'Bryan You are subscribed to VA-Richmond-General. To unsubscribe, send email to va-richmond-general-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field. To adjust other settings (vacation, digest, etc.) please visit, //www.freelists.org/list/va-richmond-general. You are subscribed to VA-Richmond-General. To unsubscribe, send email to va-richmond-general-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field. To adjust other settings (vacation, digest, etc.) please visit, //www.freelists.org/list/va-richmond-general. You are subscribed to VA-Richmond-General. To unsubscribe, send email to va-richmond-general-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field. To adjust other settings (vacation, digest, etc.) please visit, //www.freelists.org/list/va-richmond-general.