AS far as I can see I don't have any ms updated as of yet. In add/remove there is an installer icon windows installer 3.1 kb893803. Will I have to install that before I get updates. Dont laugh! But need an ok if i am correct. Never done this before. Go to add/remove on right pane click add program then highlight the installer the program I want to install. Is that correct? I tried to update but didn't have any luck. Chuck said I should be getting SP pack 2, I think. When I check for updates it had some SP packs 1 on the results. Do you have both of them. When 3 is ready will you keep all you have and get that too. I think it was Jim asking about spam mail. I have Trend Micro. It is filtering my mail and dumping all spam in a spam folder. I have checked it hasn't made a mustake yet. Is hard for me to grasp yet but it claims to be stopping things like web worms several times a day. It always says I should shut down and do a scan. Dont know how to put the lock on yet. Juanita